Stone Cold Chaz Johnston w/Big Miss Steak

Episode 36 • March 24, 2025 • 01:34:29
Stone Cold Chaz Johnston w/Big Miss Steak
Monday Night Fake Fights
Stone Cold Chaz Johnston w/Big Miss Steak

Mar 24 2025 | 01:34:29

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Garak Tailor (She/They) Welcomes Jen aka Big Miss Steak (She/Her) back to the commentary table for a third time to discuss the April 15th, 1996 episodes of WCW Monday Nitro and WWE Monday Night RAW. This week is a First Mutual to say yes week. Jen has insisted this isn't for science though, but for Home Economics. Macho Man continues his totally justified decent into the Madness, Erik Watts visits the Dome, and the search for Bad Street continues. As always a general CW: Wrestling is an industry of Monsters and the 90's wasnt exactly a paradise of inclusivity.

This is a one two punch of a topic. There will inevitably be brushing against hard subjects.

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[00:00:01] Speaker A: Hello folks. Worst worst audio ever. Question mark. For me at least this is, you know, I'm sure someone else has made worst audio at some point, but this was. I had a very. I had a choppy gremlin. A gremlin of the choppies going on, which is a thing that happens sometimes. I think I've found ways to fix it. Also things just need an update. But yes. So I apologize in advance if things are a little choppy. You're not losing it, it's just the way it is. But otherwise, have fun. Bye. So hard like you just slapped him to death. [00:00:48] Speaker B: Well, because refs are very delicate. [00:01:00] Speaker A: And on that note, Moxley, welcome back to Monday night Fake Fights where I Garrett Killer. She they and Moxley's here. She they. I'm doing a re watch of the Monday night wars and making it more and more people's problem more selectively weird people. This week I. I literally just threw a dart at the dartboard that is my skyline. Hit a mutual. And it worked because this week's esteemed. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Victim is on the skyline. I'm. Big mistake. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah you are. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a lot of parts of real life too. But my name's Jen. I'm she her. I'm rapidly approaching my 50s and I've watched wrestling since I was a little kid with my dad. So. [00:01:45] Speaker A: No, there you go right into the next. So you're. You're an old hat. That's awesome. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I watched, I started watch. Well my dad watched wrestling from. He was older when they had me, so he watched wrestling from like the 40s and 50s. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Oh, that's amazing. [00:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and then I started watching in the 80s. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Oh wow, that's so cool. Yeah, I, I realized that VHS tapes wrestling was a thing when I was five, you know, so like early 90s. And then couple months before where we started watching I realized it was a actually on TV show like so yeah, I started watching. Well a couple months from where we're watching now I realized oh, this is on tv. But yeah, so like around then and then I stopped in after 911 and took 20 years off. But now it's like this and this and Star Trek is my things basically. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Well, I started watching back when it was like from Madison Square Garden and Patterson and Monsoon were that on the announced desk and they announced where you're from and your weight and the announcement, the time limit and the falls and everything. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah, and it's like all completely different and all of it was like, like actually state sanctioned and all in Latin There was still is before Vince went to court and said, we're faking it. Please don't text me. Basically. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Christ. I started. Technically, I started watching it with my dad before Vince bought it from his. From his dad. [00:03:20] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Not very long before, but a little bit before that. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Oh, you might. You might be our oldest wrestling fan that we've had on here. That's our longest running. Congratulations, Jeff. [00:03:32] Speaker B: Well, I. I admit, like, I did the same thing. I did the, like. Yeah. I'm kind of not the 90s. Yeah. [00:03:40] Speaker A: It was like, I'm gonna take a little bit. Everyone takes a break for a while there, and then you come back and you go away. And I still love this. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:03:48] Speaker A: I. I want. I'm the kind of person that when that happened, I. I went back and started watching everything I could get my hands on. So I watched the Madison Square Garden stuff. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:58] Speaker A: And I watched as much as I can get of the really old stuff. Like, I just. I'm infatuated with the fact that it goes back so far. And I don't know. I don't know if you've saw when I shared the trailer for that new movie, Queen of the Ring. You know, I think, oh, my God, I'm so jazz. That. That kind of. Because that. They say McMahon in that. And that's not Vince's dad. That's Vince's grandpa. [00:04:23] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Is in that movie. And I'm just like. I'm over here, like, yes. In my veins like that. So give me an Ivy drip of that. It was nwa. And. And all that, like. Yeah, that stuff is the wild West. I. I love it all. It's so crazy, which is wild that it ends up coming up. That's a good segue. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:46] Speaker A: It was our shows this week because you. We mentioned Patterson. Do you want to start with Nitro or Raw? [00:04:52] Speaker B: Whichever one you want. I. You know, I'm an old dork. I've got a page of notes for each one. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. Excellent. I'm gonna start with Raw, because they did. Because with that. That good segue. [00:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:05] Speaker A: We mentioned Pat Patterson, that they showed the immemorium for Ray Stevens died, and it was like, oh, this past, buddy. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. But I just, like. I mean, both shows made a nod to it, but I. I don't think that a lot of people who were watching at that point had any idea. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Really who he was, which is unfortunate. We'll. We'll get to it when we get to raw. I. I personally did, like, Raw or. Or Nitro. I mean, I like Nitro's better. [00:05:35] Speaker B: I did too. I did too. They mentioned the Cauliflower Aly Club, which I liked and kind. Because it gave you some sort of like, reference of like, oh, this is from a while ago. [00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm. I'm not sure if listeners know about the Cow. Cowflower Alley Club. I love that you brought it up. That is showing that, yes, you are. You are, in fact, the old school fan that my nerd brain wants to be. The Cauliflower Alley Club is like, imagine like the. The club that does the roasts. I forget. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Yes, yes. It's like the Friars Club for wrestling. [00:06:07] Speaker A: Friars Club, Think. Yeah, it's the Friars Club for wrestling. And. And also stunt people in Hollywood, it started as both because. Because there was that much overlap there, which is how you get like. I mean, there was people who were professional wrestlers who did wrestling as side work, who were in wizard of Oz, one of the munchkins, you know, like, because there was that much overlap because basically it was just another show. It was a stage show. Yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker B: And like, you gotta eat, you gotta pay rent, so. [00:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So, like, while in memoriam to Ray Stevens, it's like, okay, woo. On Raw, we'll talk. We might. We'll skip it when we get there. But like we talked about now, Nitro shows like, a number where you can donate to the Cauliflower Alley Club. And that is one of the cooler things I've seen so far because I was like, that's a. That's a deep cut, you know. [00:06:59] Speaker B: Well, it's just like, like Vince's thing. Like, it was that quick blurb at the very beginning and it kind of felt like, yeah, I gotta do this because otherwise my dad's gonna yell at me. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Sort of feeling, yeah, yeah, he's gonna be mad. And. And Pat will be mad, you know, we got him doing it for Patterson, you know, and like, yeah, okay. Like, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I just imagine he's not really all that happy. And that's how a lot of go. Because Vince doesn't have a soul, so he doesn't know. He's like this. This is what you do when you're sad, right? Yeah. Like, we're guessing. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Let's watch a couple more movies and get, like, get some of the mannerisms down. Come on. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Right. And. And just to like, really drive that home, Jen, we go from the seriousness of, you know, this amazing guy dying to the ex wife of a superstar in the shadows saying that Shawn Michaels ruined her life. [00:07:56] Speaker B: That terrible. That The Jerry Springer. Like, yes, yes, Vince Russo is doing things here. [00:08:02] Speaker A: I think we are really beginning to see the, the russification. I have not looked into it because I'm not a professional, but like it's the kind of thing where I feel like if I looked into this and like found the people who know their. Vince Russo probably wrote some of this. [00:08:20] Speaker B: I, I, I can't, I can't imagine that he didn't write this Shawn Michaels silhouette ex wife wine thing because it's that, that horrible, like I don't understand how girls work and it's like something I saw on Montel Williams sort of crap that he's known for. [00:08:40] Speaker A: Yeah, like sad Reddit. Yeah, sad Reddit, dude. What you don't understand is I was on 4chan, you know, and like. No, shut up. Like we don't care. [00:08:52] Speaker B: We can tell that you were on 4chan, believe me. [00:08:55] Speaker A: Pay attention folks. 4chan will come come into question later for me, but that's something else. One, two, three. Young adult comes out to fight Mark Mero. He could tell because he has a goatee now. Like a Star Trek mirror universe kid. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:09:12] Speaker A: I feel like it's necessary. He's no longer a kid. Not quite a man. [00:09:18] Speaker B: It's that adolescent like, get out of my room, mom period of his life. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. He's, he's reading YA fiction, he's getting ready to graduate and looking at colleges. You know, I'm proud of him. He's gonna, he's gonna go get involved with not, not a great crowd though when he does leave for school. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean that's. School is the time when you do those screw up things because you're still young enough to recover. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you get in the wrong click, if you know what I mean. And yeah, you recover, you come back and next thing you know you're an Xbox. Folks, pay attention to the next three years of the show. We just told you. Spoilers. And Triple Paul is hanging out because why not while, oh God pets him like, like he's a puppy girl. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Oh my God. Did you notice that, that the woman they put with him, she's like. Okay, I don't want to say like Teemu. Ms. Elizabeth, but kinda, yeah, that's what they're going for. Like home goods. Ms. Elizabeth. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Kirkwood or yeah, Kirk, yeah. Kirkwood brands or whatever. The Costco brand. Yeah. Which you know, there's nothing wrong with. Costco is amazing. But you're not. [00:10:29] Speaker B: No, no, but it's just like out of like how easy it is to cast a model like Vince deliberately went for what was the hot chick of the 80s for WWF. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he does the last thing that made him a lot of money. That's basically. That's going to be Vince from here on. [00:10:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like they just stole all my people, so I'm just gonna make some. They'll find new ones, so it's good enough. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. We're just gonna do that quite literally soon. But, yeah. Meanwhile, Mero and the kid are pretty hard while Paul tries to do things on commentary. I guess it's. Yeah. I don't like. [00:11:08] Speaker B: It's still not, like, fully developed. It's still a lot of that, like, him with a regal, puffy shirt thing. [00:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:15] Speaker B: He'll carry an into it. [00:11:17] Speaker A: He's not. He's not. He's not the game. Yeah, he's not. He's not adding at the end of every sentence yet. He hasn't quite figured that out yet. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Right, right. He's still trying to figure out a character. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And they really want him to be the blue blood, but he's just like, I don't know what that is. Yeah. I'm sorry, Vince. I'm just a poor white supremacist. I don't know what. Yeah. Like, I don't know what a blue blood is. I just like iron crosses a whole lot. Don't ask. That. That font for the internal newsletter. I know it looks like storefront. Don't ask. Don't ask. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Like, it's. It's. It's. It. It compels attention. Just think of it that way. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All. All. All publicity is good publicity. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:01] Speaker A: I'm the game. So meanwhile, Marrow and the kid are, like I said, go pretty hard. Marrow does a dive to the outside. That looked terrifying, I gotta tell you. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Like, this made me really miss the Johnny B. Bad gimmick for Miro, because it was a much better developed character than this wild man. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:18] Speaker B: And he got to, like, do more. [00:12:20] Speaker A: It let him get his in even more fluidly because he, like. Yeah, it made more sense. And, like, he's so good. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Right? [00:12:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, we've just. It's. It's been really wild. This is the first time, I think, where someone that we got a lot of really good time with in Nitro before the switch is now over there. And it's like, this is. This is weird. This is strange. Yeah. And, like, the makeup still kind of be badish and, like. [00:12:52] Speaker B: Yeah. He still got the. A little bit of Little Richard. Look around the eyes. [00:12:55] Speaker A: But yeah, he's still a little more tan than I would like. You know that. But not paying att, but not drawing attention to it. Like he was doing it in the wcw. [00:13:05] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:06] Speaker A: And in the meantime, he's, he's cooking like he's doing all his stuff. And it's amazing. At one point, at one point he does like a, the over the top senton kind of deal. And he just lands balls first on his face. And I was like, oh, my God, there's a tea baking. And then he just keeps rolling. He just, he's like, yeah, it wasn't that great. Oh, like nobody, no one left that feeling good about themselves. You know, everyone hurt there. [00:13:40] Speaker B: But this drove me nuts too, because, like, he is so good. And the, the announce table is treating this like just a run of the mill dark jobber match. Because that way they can point out. Ooh, Sable, Sable, Sable, Sable. [00:13:53] Speaker A: They're making it about Sable. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And she's busy trying to do the like stone cold fox thing. And it's like, no, you don't look like the stone cold, like, hard to read. You look like a mannequin. You're making no face. [00:14:07] Speaker A: She doesn't know how to do it yet. I feel like she. And maybe she gets better. I don't remember because I was very young and going through the wrong puberty. So I was biased, you know, like, it was so it was like. I, I, I can't remember. Part of the show is see, seeing how, how, how was this with clear eyes and a different. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:27] Speaker A: How's this all feel now? I, it turns out I'm still kind of 12 in that. I giggled at the, the aggressive teabagging that 1, 2, 3 kid got. I still thought that was. That move is banned in the UK due to obscenity laws you're not allowed to do. [00:14:44] Speaker B: You can see that. [00:14:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No face sitting over there. It's in the rules. So after a while, Kiddo goes for like a suplex off the top. That's way out of his league. Yeah. Yeah. We could all agree Merrow reverses into a splash for the three. Trips is mad. I'm happy. I'm happ. Trips is mad. That's always good. [00:15:04] Speaker B: But the thing is, he's still in this weird, like, not really developed between his WCW and who he becomes. And he, he can't really sound convincingly mad. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Yeah, he, he just sounds like he's trying to act. Yeah. Instead of just doing it. Yeah. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:25] Speaker A: We. It's it's on brand, though, that we get what's, let's say, really amazing legendary baked goods that are still a little gooey in the middle because we get Ted DiBiase and Stone Cold promo from superstars and our good friend Stephen. Stephen looks like an Amber Crombie model. I have never been more uncomfortable watching this show, and that's saying something like, what the. It's got, like, a blue button up and Ray Bans, and it's so gross. It was like, he's giving me the ick. I don't like this at all. You guys need to figure this out fast. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Like, you're losing me. Like, if he. If he doesn't chug a beer soon, I'm canceling the podcast. But we get back. Yeah, it's. It's rough to see. [00:16:21] Speaker B: It is. And it's just also one of those, like, I mean, as the show develops, you go on. But one of the things that hit me was like, does. Can nobody talk? Does everybody need a manager or a valet? [00:16:32] Speaker A: Kind of. Yeah, a lot of them. And that's. You're right. That's a really big difference between this and Nitro, too, because a lot of guys on Nitro are just go going out there and spitballing and. I mean, I guess at the same time, though, when you got some of the managers and valets that you have time in Raw, you kind of want to give him the mic. I mean, but Jim Cornette's managed every heel. Of course you're gonna give the mic to Jim Cornette because, like, he's real good at that. And Vader needs to make silly faces. [00:17:05] Speaker B: Can't let Ross and Jim just talk. He's gotta stick himself in there. [00:17:09] Speaker A: He's gotta. Yeah. Literally talk over them. We'll get there. Back to the grads. That's. Oh, I'm so mad. We're getting ahead. We. We got it. We got to make sure we give Fatu making his difference against Bulldog's face proper credit. But first. Oh, God. We also have to talk about this. Unfortunately, a lady is making outlandish claim about how good Shawn Michael smells and how much he. So good it ruined her life. The was so. [00:17:40] Speaker B: Of course it did, because it's. Because it's Russo. So there's lots of body spray. [00:17:45] Speaker A: There's body spray. [00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah. And lots of pretending that, like, well, women like dicks, Right? Yeah. That's what they like. [00:17:54] Speaker A: And they can't help it with dicks, Right? Yeah. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:58] Speaker A: What? You don't understand so much that Some of them have them now. It's wonderful. So, yeah, Vince Russo is all over this. It's terrible. So they do this weird little reversal audio when she said ex husband, and it kind of sounds like maybe she's saying a different name every time. And I. So I instantly. I was like, okay, like Zapruder again. I'm gonna, like, listen to slow it down. And I think I heard a flare. I think I heard a Marty, which I might just be Marty Jannetti, which is funny because he's not even an ex superstar. I. I heard a Rick Rude and I heard a Randy. So, like, Vince isn't mad. Don't put it in the paper that he's strange and unnecessary bit of sketch drama. And it just boils down to Sean good. And even does aftercare. And then he ghosted me because he's a mad man. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Right, Right. Which is exactly how Vince Russo would be like, yeah, that's what a dude does, man. Like, you stick it in her and then you leave. [00:19:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:19:07] Speaker B: God, yeah. [00:19:09] Speaker A: God, I hate him so much. And. And. Oh, God. This is who was. This is who was trying to teach me how to. Boy, no one. No wonder it didn't. Yeah, no wonder. Think Lawer spends most of this match making you euphemisms for Sean being a sloot, which I. I did kind of giggle at. The match itself's fun enough, though. Fatu's having fun. Bulldogs being cowardly heel. He, like, runs to his wife mid match throughout to just kind of get a hug. I got mad because that's. That's skipping Sonny's gimmick. Damn it. Like, don't do that. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Well, it's gimmick infringement path again. Like, how many people do we have to have at the apron? Because we've got British Bulldog and he's got his wife and he's got Jim Cornette. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, the whole. [00:19:55] Speaker B: The whole. [00:19:55] Speaker A: The whole kitten caboodle. And this is a ongoing. And it's going to get worse. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Oh, I know. [00:20:03] Speaker A: But. Because all of a sudden they just cut from, like, on the way to commercial, they cut to two Samoan dudes in braids and suits and chains. Yeah, this is Fatu's family members. I was like, bloodline, like. Like the ones like, is this on a wahi? What's going on? Is Roman here? A little baby Roman? Like, what is this? I don't remember any of this. And we get no names. It's just. [00:20:27] Speaker B: No guys. It's just some. Some guys who look like some sort of cross between the Stereotype of a Pacific Islander and a mafia guy. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. They're like, what? What? They're like, what are some. What does Samoan gangsters look like? [00:20:44] Speaker B: Right? [00:20:44] Speaker A: And they're just like. I don't. I don't know. Like. Like regular gangsters, like mob guys, but with braids. But with braids. That's how that works. Like, sure, why not? It. It's very. I don't. It's very Vince being lazy and trying to do something. I don't know what. Yeah, I feel like we are. We are mercifully getting to the end of the making a difference fatou character. He will be. He will be back soon as sultan first, I believe, and then we get Rikishi. So soon. Soon, sir, you'll be dancing and shaking your butts in people's faces to much acclaim. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Something that makes sense. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Something that makes sense. And your family literally runs the business now. God, that's got to feel good. [00:21:30] Speaker B: But then. And then, just like the whole, like, Vince still, like, so upset about what he lost. Can I. Can I comment on how. Why did we need to dress Davey Boy Smith like, a slightly smoother around the edges ultimate warrior kinda? [00:21:46] Speaker A: And it definitely sort of is. Even with the tassels, it's this whole matches, the. It feels like filler, and it very is like. It's like an ultimate filler match. Which sucks because both these guys, like, when they're. I hate to say it begrudgingly when Davey Boy Smith is on, he. He can be a very awesome wrestler. Most of the time, though, I think he's probably more or less being carried. Fatu is always pretty much on. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Yeah, well, like, Smith gives good face. [00:22:18] Speaker A: He does. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Back in the tag team years, you know, he always gave good face. [00:22:22] Speaker A: This is true. [00:22:23] Speaker B: But one thing with this match that I thought because, like, I didn't watch stuff in the 90s, so looking at this match without having any past, like, the only clear heel was Cornet. Yeah, it was clear, like, who you were supposed to be on the side of. And then they finally. They at least let Fatu say, like, no, my family's WWF to like, like, yeah, he is the face. He is the good guy here. [00:22:47] Speaker A: And it's all very confusing. No, you're right. It's like Vince doesn't know how to do this yet. If he ever really, like, I feel like he did in the 80s, in the 90s, but he doesn't know how to do this yet because he's. He's trying to, like, make it more legitimate. And make it more sports entertainment. So he's trying to write, like, stories, but he's not good at it. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Well, it also feels like Russo's like, no, man. There are no good people or bad people. It's all a shade to pray, man. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Yeah, you really. You're. You're putting that much on Russo already? All right, I'm gonna. [00:23:23] Speaker B: I am. I am. I'm not a fan. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Well, no, I believe you, but I. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Well, no, he. He. He start. He started moving. He was. He had finished a stint with the magazine, and he was in the writers room for about a good year now. [00:23:38] Speaker A: Really? Okay. Yeah, because I knew. I knew that he was in the magazine and he showed up on the Billionaire 10 skits sketches, but I guess he, like, straight up probably helped write those, which. God, that makes so much more sense. Oh, all right. No, folks. Jen, thank you for being a wealth of knowledge. More than me, apparently. I thought we had time. No, we are living in the Russos. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Oh, no, no. I double checked and I looked. I looked up the years when once from the magazine to the writers room, and he moved in 95 from what I was able to find. So this is well into him being in the writer's room, annoying the. Out of everyone. [00:24:16] Speaker A: My God. Well, I don't like that at all. So. Yeah, there we are. That. That makes a lot of this more sense. And this whole. This whole fascination with cuckoldry that. That they have going on here makes a lot more sense. There's a lot of that going on in Nitro, too. But as far as the match goes again, it's. It's pretty solid because these guys are great. Fatu does his, like, running cutter, and Vince again, calls it a bulldog. And I want to yell and scream. Is not a bulldog. You like Vince is. This is. How. How do you not know this? [00:24:55] Speaker B: Because he's never been really great on as an announcer. [00:24:59] Speaker A: Yeah. So people disagree. Last week's guest said. Said no, the Vince. And I was like, you know, I'm not gonna kick you off the show, but I'm going to politely disagree. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Okay. Vince has a very. His voice is really tied to the announced desk for many of us because of how many years he's done it. But in terms of, like, actually commentating, he's got to be paired with somebody who knows what the stuff is. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he can't in the. In Lawler isn't much better at this point. And that's why it's. We're. I need junior. I need junior so bad because These guys are not working for me. It's. I've managed to. This is how it works, Jen. But after a while I'll have to focus on the grabs and just really try so much to not listen to commentary because the stuff they say pisses me off. They did a lot of stuff during this where it was like they're. [00:25:57] Speaker B: They're. [00:25:58] Speaker A: They're making references to things that I don't know because I was too young, but names and stuff that I'm guessing are political figures of some sort. And they just keep saying this non sequitur, racist, conservative. And I'm like, what's going on? It doesn't make sense that I realize it's 90. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Right. Well, also like, it's. They're. They're talking about anything except for what's going on in the ring, which is super frustrating. [00:26:26] Speaker A: And that's what makes it so terrible is like, even if I knew, I wouldn't care because I'm here for grabs. And, And. But this is how they did that. And like, it's. It's really. Oh, it just. It's such a gross taste in my mouth to be like, oh man, they were really huge. This in like we wouldn't notice, you know? [00:26:46] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:26:47] Speaker A: So gross. As far as the match itself, though, Bulldog gets a power slam. Yep. Cleaner finish that I was expecting to be the whole. [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, agreed. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Lawler tells Vince that Gold does this tweet on him and I. Oh, not. Not excited for what that's gonna mean. You mentioned Fatu. Okay, I don't mean this is. None of this makes any. I'm so confused. Please just give me Sultan. Like, it's. Sultan will also be like, you know, problematic, but at least he doesn't have to deal with whatever the this is. I remember him having some good matches with like Savio and I think even under. We'll get there. [00:27:25] Speaker B: Well, I just get frustrated. It's like, why are. Why are you. If you just want like a doesn't matter Jobber match to fill space, why are you wasting like name people in that? [00:27:36] Speaker A: I think. Yeah. And I think that my guess is based on having watched all this in succession now, is that Fatu is in. This gimmick is kind of coming down, like kind of coming to an end. Like it's winding down. He's not. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:52] Speaker A: It's over as he was. So I feel. I feel like this was Vince's effort. [00:27:57] Speaker B: To like wrap up the story. Yeah. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Wrap up the stories. Like, I. This isn't about. And again, to Solidify that it's not about the match. It's about the fact that what's his face is his is talking about Sean his wife. Like, that's. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:19] Speaker A: What the actual story that matters isn't thing. And you know, so it's like. Okay. [00:28:24] Speaker B: And God forbid we don't talk about it for like a whole 10 seconds because obviously the audience would forget. Right? [00:28:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God. And this is why RAW has been so difficult to watch for. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:36] Speaker A: The last 36 episodes. I've not. I said, hell, you've been here with me. Thank you. But Holy. It gets better. I think. I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I could have just been a baby. We're here to find out. That's why I said for science. Or in this case, homec. Yeah, but you did mention a jobber squash matches. And I was like, well, they got one of those for you too. [00:28:59] Speaker B: The. [00:29:00] Speaker A: The Body D has come out to fight techno team 2000. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Which shows that we have no idea what techno is or. [00:29:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:29:13] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:29:14] Speaker A: No clue. I barely remember what this was. It turns out the. The one of these guys is Eric freaking Watts. This is one of these guys is the kid of Cowboy Bill Watts. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Okay. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Legendary promoter and writer. Not that great of a wrestler. Like, he never really kind of had it, you know, but they tried. Vince gave him a shot, you know. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:35] Speaker A: And. But he gave him a shot and he dressed him like this. [00:29:38] Speaker B: I know. [00:29:39] Speaker A: They're. [00:29:40] Speaker B: The only thing impressive is that, like, they're like a good foot taller than the Body Donnas. [00:29:44] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I. At first I thought it was the Harris twins in a gimmick because they're just so tall. And I was like, holy. But they're. They're dressed like. If y'all remember the episode of the Next Generation where Crusher and Troy are doing, like, Jazzercising and like, stretching and they're. Yeah. No, Eric Watts and this other tall man are dressed like that. And it is techno team 2000. And it's just. Oh, okay, sure. It's fun though. The daughters are really good at tag team wrestling, so it's hard to have a bad match. But since it. Since it's again, like, this keeps happening, and every time I write something in my notes like I'm having fun, they immediately ruin it. They cut to something that's not the wrestling I was having fun watching. And then that's just really what we're saying. And that's the spin. The story the last few weeks is like this is fun. What are the new rockers doing? Let's go. Let's go check in on that. [00:30:47] Speaker B: And, like, even Vince has to mention that the rocker's gimmick is corny. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Alfred Snow is just being a freaking dork. Young. Young Al Snow is just like, yeah, I'm happy to be a. Marty Janetti. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Is, like, happy to be here. Yeah. [00:31:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Marty Janae is just like, yeah. I mean, I killed a guy. I guess they don't just. Nothing there. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Nothing works. They don't connect with each other. They don't connect with the audience, and. [00:31:12] Speaker A: I do not think that their contract is going to be connected for much longer. Yeah. Young Alice gonna be in ecw. [00:31:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Things. Yeah. [00:31:25] Speaker B: And again, the announce table is not connected to the match because they start all their horrible homophobic supposed jokes about gold dust, and then at one point, Lawler makes a plug for dick pills. Completely, like, out of nowhere. Yeah, that was weird as. I'll get out. [00:31:45] Speaker A: You. You expect that from you? I don't know. Podcasting in the 2000 and tens, but not in the 90s. [00:31:51] Speaker B: Oh, that was so weird to have just out of nowhere king pushing boner pills in the middle of a. Yeah. [00:32:00] Speaker A: There's been dick pills for so long, it's a state. Apparently, it's a staple of our economy. [00:32:06] Speaker B: I. It appears to be, like, one of the. One of the foundations. No. [00:32:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Of wrestling. [00:32:13] Speaker A: Hey. Yeah, no, exactly. It's a pillar, if you will. Oh, right. I just made myself sad with that one. Back to the grabs. Eric Watts gets an overhead suplex and drops on his head. Because I have to take note, every time someone probably gets a concussion, I have to make sure to mention it on the show. So I don't feel so bad for. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Loving this, but that was really bad, too. Like, I winced seeing that. That was so, like, you're not playing off. No. Everyone knew that went wrong. [00:32:46] Speaker A: That was a botch. Yeah. That's all Eric Watts. Oh, let's go beyond Botchamania. Like. Yeah. Sorry, Eric. [00:32:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:54] Speaker A: In 1996, we need to send Matthew back in time to do botchamania before YouTube existed. I. I'll find the technology. It's got to be in my sub basement somewhere. [00:33:04] Speaker B: What would be awesome was just, like, do some. Do like, some, like, look back. Classic botches for Botchamania. [00:33:11] Speaker A: That is a good idea. We should. Some one of us should tag. Tag him in the blue sky. Be like, do this classic Botchamania. Timeless. It'll be tied into Tony. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Timeless. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Timeless. Timeless. Botchamania. Vince Says though he would rather watch the action here. Cut everyone off from they are talking. And I was like, okay. Really? Because like that. No, like he's. It's like he heard me talking about what he was doing. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:41] Speaker A: And he's like, yeah. Oh, you know, like that. I do. I'm just screaming like you are. You're gaslighting me through time, Vince. Again. I will. I'm building a time machine. But eventually, poor Top Pritchard goes to a top rope. He tries to do like a fallback elbow and it ends up kind of being like a nasty plunge. And we get I think our second concussion of the mask. Why not? And then here we go. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Some for everyone. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Well, yeah, there's enough for everybody. You get a concussion and you get a concussion longer. Starts talking about gas prices. Vince says, what does that have to do with anything? Like, because it's an election year. He's not being subtle. [00:34:22] Speaker B: What has anything that you guys talked about during most of these matches had to do with the matches? Nothing. [00:34:27] Speaker A: Very little. Yeah. The body Don is end up with the win and Vader and Cornette get talking to Jim Ross and it's corny talking Invader just kind of barking and snarling and. [00:34:39] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [00:34:40] Speaker A: I can't imagine what direction do you give them? [00:34:42] Speaker B: Just. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Just kind of look at the camera. Yeah, look at the camera and like make your eyes real big and do noises and such. Thank you, sir. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Bark for me, sir. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Well, that's the kind of like when you got a guy who can't talk and you've got him with a manager that's just look intimidating. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:59] Speaker B: Do whatever it is to look scary. Yeah. [00:35:01] Speaker A: And I mean, Leon White, if anything could look scary, right? Said terrifying to me. But gold Dustin Marlee to come out, not terrifying to me. They come to commentary. Dustin immediately just starts trying to lick Vince like right away. And I was just like that. This phobic, but I can call it right now, I'm love all of it. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Well, you know, like watching this. Bless Dustin for how good he did with this terrible material. And God damn Vince for punishing Dusty's kids. [00:35:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:43] Speaker B: Just the fact that they exist just. [00:35:45] Speaker A: For being Dusty's kids. Yeah, exactly. And nothing Dustin Rhodes is. Is the perfect example of. There's nothing more winning than. Than like just living your best life with the you were given. You know, like, it's like, yeah, you gave him this. I want to make fun of you for being queer. And instead he's like, I'm going to act my gold ass Off. [00:36:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:10] Speaker A: Basically because Vince tells them that they're gonna have a casket match. As Owen's making his way there. Dustin's like this, like, let's get out of here. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Tries to leave, but Taker's music hits and she's like, oh, I'm stuck. And he's freaking out and he's just giving it. [00:36:25] Speaker B: He's so good at it. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah, he's terrified. He's like, terrified of him. Like, holy. And then he like, Taker's coming out. He's like trying to tell him to cut, cut, cut, Mr. Cut. And Vi. Like, they aren't cutting anything. There's no cutting Mr. Gold Dust. And the lights come up and he just freaks out. Like, no, no, no, no, no. [00:36:48] Speaker B: He. He just, he does so much and adds so much depth and actual character to this complete, like, surface homophobic, haha. Gay funny joke. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Basically just amazing. And, and, and, and almost like he. Vince can see that. Like, oh no, he's. He's upstaging me. He says he resembles Dennis Rodman at a recent signing and that like, celebs are starting to be queers too. Like he, like, like Vince is like, we started it. Yeah, yeah, we did. We did it first. We had the training first, you know, like, like, no, you're not. You're doing this wrong. While we're just like, I wish. I wish I were kidding. And something about again, like some. Something about how someone said something about how it wasn't all that bad at first and too far with it. I don't know what he's talking about. I. Like, I was just throwing my hands in the air. Like, what is this? 90s Wrestle election year wrestling is the weirdest I've seen so far. And. And it's early. [00:37:53] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's. It is really odd. It's just like. I don't know, there's all this bizarre name dropping not just for like the elections, but for sports and everything. And it's like they're trying to be topical. [00:38:08] Speaker A: Like they're. Yeah. And it's like, I don't want this from you guys. I want you to tell me about what's going on in the match. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. Or at least telling. Talking about any. Even not this match, but like at least wrestling. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Just anything. Yeah, yeah, that's. This should be good. It's Taker and Owen Hart like this, you know, like, Taker's not wonderful, but Owen match out of. Oh, Undertaker, like. [00:38:33] Speaker B: And yet again we're throwing cornet with heart because. [00:38:37] Speaker A: Yeah, you Know who? [00:38:39] Speaker B: There's no good guys or bad guys. And we just got to have a manager. You gotta, you have to. [00:38:45] Speaker A: Well, they want, they really want to. To make sure that Undertaker is understood as the face because he's going to quite literally be burying our gays. Yeah, it's a casket. But so Goldust is having a great time, though. Like, he goes from freaking the hell out to talking about how sexy and cold and clammy Taker is. [00:39:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. And like, when he. He starts messing with Paul Bearer too. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he starts like goose with that. [00:39:19] Speaker B: And it's like so good. [00:39:22] Speaker A: And I hate it because it's supposed to be awful, but they're doing a good job. And like, as. And like, like, because, like, yeah, he's going from scared to horny and like, it happens to all of us and I get it. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Fear boner. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, fear boner. It happens to everybody. So. Oh, and car, you know, it keeps going and the gold dust gets up to distract us. So, yeah, as you said, he goes to do sexual harassment on Paul Bear and like Lawler makes chubby chaser and various like, fat gay jokes. And like, all of this, it's like, I should be offended, but Dustin and Paul are doing such a good job, right. That I'm. I'm just delighted to see camp, you know? Like, when it comes down to it, I just love camp because I'm a queer translady. Like, I can't help it. You do the camp. I get excited and giddy. Even if you're like, even if you're. You're laughing at me. I don't even care that much because, like, Dustin's killing it. [00:40:14] Speaker B: They both are. They're both so good at portraying the emotions that you're supposed to be able to see from them. And they're so good at it. And there's no, like, trying to think about what's he sort of doing. It's so clear, it's so good, it's so believable. And it sucks that it's such shitty material that they're so good with. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Right. And, and thankfully they'll. They'll. It gets a little bit better. Dustin gets some slightly better material in the future, but right now it is. We are firmly in the, the gay panic defense. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Yeah, we're. We're well into like. Yeah, like 12 year olds laughing at gay jokes at the schoolyard thing. Yeah. [00:40:56] Speaker A: And that, that's the only idea they have. They're like, okay. And it's kind of funny because it's like, we. Oh, we made a queer character. Now what do we do, like, with it? [00:41:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:07] Speaker A: How do you write a queer character? I don't know. Like, I'm a. [00:41:11] Speaker B: And not only, like, we make it and, like, we don't know how to write it, but, like, people aren't just, like, skeeved out and laughing at it. They're. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Yeah, some of them actually really like it and they're cheering it. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. [00:41:24] Speaker A: Oh, and it's like, yeah, well, because those people cheering it, those are the queer ones. Like, we've always been there because we. The first time he came out, the very next raw, the very next night, you had a bunch of guys in the makeup with the wigs. And. And I was like, oh. And I was like, yeah, that's. Those are the gay guys who are like, oh, you're doing drag. We got. I got this wig already, that standard blonde, platinum blonde wig. Like, you know, so it's just. [00:41:57] Speaker B: It's also. I mean, this. This sort of character goes back to, like, Gorgeous George. I mean, this is not anything new. [00:42:04] Speaker A: No, it's just Dustin kind of did it kill way. Yeah, he did it in a. Yeah, he killed it. He did it in a way that no, literally no one was expecting and did not want. You. We don't want you to do this. So. Good. [00:42:18] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah, we want you to do this like the frat guy in a dress sort of joke. We're not expecting you to actually have a character. [00:42:27] Speaker A: Yeah, we want bosom buddies. And instead you're giving us kids in the hall. What the. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, totally. Yeah. [00:42:34] Speaker A: So, yeah, I'm. I'm. It's good enough to get Taker a win because he. He starts rubbing up on. Oh, yeah, that's enough for Taker to use the distraction and get a tombstone on him. And I think the real message here is that gay men and trans women and drag queens will treat red blooded American men the way that men treat women. [00:42:55] Speaker B: Yes. And that's supposed to be horrifying. And what it is actually is it makes a whole lot of people in the audience say, like, yeah, good. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like 20 years later, we're like, no, that's an unironic. Good storyline in wrestling. Like, right back then, we just got to enjoy that subtext and go like, yes, soak it in. Because they don't understand that that's what they're giving it to us. If all. If all that symbolism wasn't enough, Paul bearer rolls out the actual casket to drive home. We will be Murdering the queer. That's raw, folks. [00:43:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Yo, and now when I first asked you on the show, I said, I want people to come on here for the sake of science. And you said, what about home economics? And since that's raw, I have to let you know for the sake of home economics, no matter what the Internet tells you. Sickos. Chicken Schwartz sashimi is not thing. Do not. No, don't do it. It's a bad idea. You'll die. [00:43:51] Speaker B: Yeah, poultry. Poultry especially is not good. [00:43:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:56] Speaker B: Any sort of undercooked. [00:43:58] Speaker A: It tells me a 1,167 degrees Fahrenheit. That's what you need to get chicken to everyone. [00:44:03] Speaker B: Write that down. [00:44:05] Speaker A: This will be on the final. [00:44:06] Speaker B: You want the juices to run clear? [00:44:09] Speaker A: Yes, it's very important, especially with rfk. It's like, please temp any everything. I'm gonna miss rare steak too, but for the love of God, unless worms are not good. Yeah, unless you know the cow, which is a thing you could do. Go meet your cows. [00:44:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Yeah. If you have the ability, go meet your cows. They're. They're lovely people, but, you know, cows. [00:44:33] Speaker B: And you don't have to go to the restaurant at the end of the universe to do so anymore. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Nice deep cut. Fantastic. But what. What a way to add raw there. Well, hey, sickos still haven't found bad street. Folks around here have been, well, let's say prickly. I'll tell you, it sure make old guy Kendricks feel a lot better in my. In my genetically programmed heart. If y'all could, like, subscribe, maybe review the podcast wherever you listen to your podcast, you know, maybe even swing by patreon.com mnffpod and help support the show and, you know, get some. Some access to bonus content, pay per view, watch alongs like Slamboree 96 coming soon. You get your name on the pod. But wait a minute. Is that Stadium the Twins. I'm in Verns territory. Hey. Hey, here. Excuse me. Can you tell me how to get to the Gagney gym? Ass you. It was so much for Minnesota Nitro. So much better. Like a breath of fresh air. Two weeks in a row. Now, live from Daytona beach and holy hell, that's a long beach. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And they are so much pyro. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Holy crap. [00:46:00] Speaker B: We're making sure everyone knows we're spending more money than Vince. We're gonna blow up everything. [00:46:05] Speaker A: We're gonna blow up everything. We're gonna give so much people the black lung. And it's Gonna be fine. I want that studied like, I want. I want people who like witl of these shows in the 90s study their lungs like to see just how bad it was. [00:46:22] Speaker B: But yeah, this is before the Great White concert in Rhode island. And yeah, so we were still using pyro with complete abandon. [00:46:30] Speaker A: You cannot do that anymore. Yeah. You think they learned their lesson? They still occasionally set WrestleMania. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:46:39] Speaker A: You can't do that. Think of the. Think of the show. We know. But yes, nitro with lots of pyro, which again, dangerous sounding mixture. It's lead up to NBA tonight. So this is a. A huge reason, I think, why we get early nitrogen did well early because they're on the same network as mainstream sports. That had to help. [00:46:57] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And the nice thing is that when their announced desk is doing tie in comments about real sports, it makes sense because they're talking about the other sports that are on Turner Networks. They're talking about basketball, they're talking about nascar. [00:47:13] Speaker A: They're not just dropping random names. Vince and Jerry. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. No, you're really hitting the nail on that. That's what so infuriating. Oh, God. I can't remember who it was, but a couple guests ago we talked about how like, raw is like corny and terrible but doesn't mean to be. But nitro is like corny and means to be and that makes it cool. Yes, like, like that's the difference. It's like they know what they're doing matter. Yes. Intentions matter. Where, like, Vince is trying to seriously be this and he sucks at it. And it just comes off as disingenuous because he's not a real human. Like, he's. He's not a human being. He doesn't have a soul. He's just a monster. [00:47:59] Speaker B: It's a. It's a clear idea that Vince has figured out that what he did in the 80s isn't working anymore, but he has no idea what to do next. So he's just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping and praying something sticks. [00:48:13] Speaker A: FL so hard. My guy, if you were a better person, I'd feel bad. But, you know, you're not. [00:48:18] Speaker B: So I feel bad for the other in the office because. [00:48:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I literally almost feel bad for Jerry, but again, no, no. Suck. Suck it, K. I feel bad for us watching it. [00:48:31] Speaker B: The real victims. [00:48:33] Speaker A: Right and all. Speaking of the victims, poor Bobby Heenan's mic isn't on and he's trying to. He's doing his job so hard. It's not working. [00:48:44] Speaker B: And he is, you know, he is the saving grace of the announce table there. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And. And he's. He. He has been. The great joy of this show so far has been introducing people who've never. Have never known what it is to the concept of a Bobby Heenan. Right. Like, that's. Oh, he's just so good. It warms the soul. He's just so funny and like, even. Yeah, great. I'm like, I'm not that angry because, Bobby, you're doing. You're doing Sinatra, you know, like. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Of course you're talking about the. And stuff. It's literally the character you're playing. I want to believe you're not a piece of. I just remind myself he took this job so he could be closer to his daughter. He can't actually be that awful of a person, you know? Like, like, yeah, he's. He's just. He's playing a character and I gotta love him because he's so good at it. Unreal. But yeah. The first graphs of the evening, though, once we just stop trying to listen. Dungeon of Goons own joker Hugh Morris. The things we find disturbing, he finds funny. Ha ha, ha, ha ha. [00:49:54] Speaker B: No, no. He's just some random big dude. They said, hey, will you wear a leotard? And he said, sure. That's all. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Can I get. Can I giggle sometimes? Do a moonsault. Yeah, sure. That's your character. [00:50:06] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That was such a. Yeah. See, like 10 years ago, this would have been some guy, some local guy that they threw into the ring with Savage. They wouldn't have tried to pretend it's a character. It would have been like, yeah, Larry Montez from. You know. And everyone would be like, yeah, okay, it's a guy in like a plain Scott. [00:50:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, and because Ross still doing that. Ross still is still good. Honest to God, jobbers. Damn it. [00:50:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:50:36] Speaker A: And. And it warms my heart. I'm not gonna lie. I do. I did. It's one of the things I do. We're gonna feed this guy to or like our new up and comer. Here comes Ahmed Johnson. Swallow this, man. Oh, let's watch. [00:50:50] Speaker B: But I mean, that's a. That's a. That's been a staple of pro wrestling forever. Is that you have these complete no names to feed to build the storyline. Because having a name character is almost a distraction when you're trying to build someone else. [00:51:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And it works for a reason. And I feel like they. You're right that they do. We're Entering this era in the show here of. Of when they start to kind of move away from that more because they want to make everybody a big deal so they can get money off of the merchandise. [00:51:24] Speaker B: Everything. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah, this. Everything. And it, and it sucks because like you kind of. You miss out on those. And like I. It wasn't until I was late to the game on aew but when I started watching AEW and I was about three years in and like I forget exactly when it was but there was a run there where they were. They're just feeding no name indie guys to Powerhouse Hobbs. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:51] Speaker A: And I, and I was like, God, I missed this. This specifically was. Is really nice. Powerhouses just go kill people. [00:52:00] Speaker B: It makes it even more effective the fact that you don't know who these people are because it shows that like it doesn't matter. Anything, anybody. He will destroy. [00:52:10] Speaker A: Exactly. You can throw anything at him. And. And what's great about AEW too is these aren't just no name jobbers. These are like folks who are local to the region who work the right. [00:52:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:21] Speaker A: So. And like. So it's great that they get on tv, right? Like it's great for the. The indie scene there because they were on the. [00:52:29] Speaker B: And it's great for the crowd there because a lot of them will recognize that guy because he's one of their local guys. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Exactly. So they get some heat for it and more invested and it's like it's not. It's a good thing to do. And like sometimes you do that and you get people who are really great. Look what happened with action and was supposed to just be another. [00:52:51] Speaker B: That's the reason why the territories did that for decades. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Yeah. It worked. Yeah. So like I'm very happy that AW is getting back to that. And I mean I'm from Minneapolis. Like I'm gonna pop for Top Flight forever because that our local boys that made good you know, like through that same process. And like hell yeah. Thank you. Aw. Like for bringing back the jobber match. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Because it was. It's. It's got a place to be. It. It makes sense. There's a reason why they did it. And the. What the throwing it out and not doing it anymore. It's. You know. And plus when you're watching on TV too, it's kind of nice to know that. Oh, okay. So I'm pretty sure I know how this is gonna go. So I can go pee. It'll be okay. I won't miss anything. [00:53:39] Speaker A: It's okay to have the popcorn match, you know? [00:53:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:42] Speaker A: Exactly. And what happens when you don't do that? You get Bill DeMotte giggling in a. In a. In spandex as humorous. And it's like, this isn't. No one likes this. [00:53:53] Speaker B: No. [00:53:54] Speaker A: But thankfully, he's gonna get his ass kicked, I do hope by the most divorced man ever, unhinged hoss. Macho Man, Randy Savage. [00:54:03] Speaker B: And the crowd is. They could not love him more. And he's always so good at working the crowd and reacting to the crowd. And this. This storyline is distasteful, and it is that they're pushing. They're like, oh, he's crazy. Because crazy. You know, he's still. The crowd loves him so much, and he's so good. So good. [00:54:29] Speaker A: He does this and. And that's. I was good. That's in my notes, too, that they're really pushing the crazy because, like, oh, he's so unhinged. It's like. I don't know. Seems to me he's just kind of chilling with the fans. Like. Like, you see. What are you gaslighting my guy here? Like, yeah, his wife left him, you know, but all of this, like, that's the thing, is everyone's like, he's so unhinged. I'm like, I don't know. He seems to be reacting pretty normally to the heinous that Ric Flair is doing to him. [00:54:57] Speaker B: Right. And that's the thing, too, is, like, you can have a story. You've had stories before where Rick stolen someone's girl, and it didn't make the person, ooh, he's mental. Hospital crazy. It made the person, like, justifiably upset and got the crowd behind them. So I don't understand why they felt the need to do the, like, oh, he's crazy. Yeah. [00:55:19] Speaker A: Yeah. They wanted to go the extra level. I don't know, because maybe because it's where they're realizing, hey, it's 1996, too, and we got to up it. Yeah, Bischoff. And he literally did this to. To Randy before. He literally has done this to Macho man before. This whole thing is a callback, basically. So, yeah, it's whatever. And it. It's kind of funny they're pushing when he's just kind of. I'm having a time, you know, he's just Randy. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker A: There's just being Randy. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Different about him. [00:55:50] Speaker A: Not. Not much at all. Like, Ric Flair in the commentary booth are gaslighting Randy Savage, but humor immediately just starts hitting his ass fast. The crowd is rowdy, and I think it's full of ECW fans. So they are going to try to get on camera no matter what. And they have a sign that says pillman's click. Like shoved in front of the cameraman who's. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that was horrible. Yeah. [00:56:14] Speaker A: You know, and I was like, you know, I love ecw. I really do. I've talked about how great it is on the show, but we've. If we've established in the show now that that sign making it wrestling shows was one of the earliest forms of posting that makes ECW fans 4chan in my opinion. [00:56:32] Speaker B: I. I dig it. I. I sign on to that. Absolutely. [00:56:37] Speaker A: That was just one of those science. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Well, for the soft sciences. For like psych and sociology. [00:56:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. We're doing anthropology here, everyone. Yeah. No ECW fans is 4chan and I. I don't know, we'll see what the hn. I think a chan is just Vince full Vince. Vince Full McMahon in full attitude era. It is a chan. It's like, yeah, yeah. We'll get there, kids. Yay. [00:57:08] Speaker B: I'm not gonna have to go there. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say it. No. I'll invite you back for something heinous. You don't say that. I'm like, I'll talk. Yeah, I'll bring you back for a kiss my ass match or some. But not, not much to this match. So much. [00:57:24] Speaker B: No. [00:57:24] Speaker A: Thankfully, Hugh Morris steals Randy's gear and tries to wear it to pretend to be him, but he can' jacket, which kind of made me giggle, so it just sort of hanging off made me. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Giggle, but it also kind of made me like it. It screamed the whole like, not ready for prime timeness of him because it's like, okay, you're trying to mock the guy. You're trying to work the crowd and you don't know how to do it. [00:57:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You really know. You're. You're getting like a little bit. Not really. And then macho recovers enough to like, kind of grab him by the eyeball and try to choke him with his jacket. Help either goes so far as do the over the top rope, like Adam Page style. Hanging him with his own jacket. Yes. Yeah. And I was like, all right, cool. That. That was actually pretty. Pretty baller calling for the bell. And like the bell at this point does not stop because Macho says, screw a match. I'm killing this clown. I'm ending him. [00:58:22] Speaker B: I think we're supposed to think it's just like, oh, because he's unhinged. But I want to think that it's more like Randy knows the crowd doesn't like this guy right now because he's just being a big giant doofus. So he's going to do us all a favor and we're never going to. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Have to see him again. I was going to say, you know, exactly like. I think what he's actually going down here is not that he's unhinged, it's just like, you know, fuck this guy. I'm going to take care of this problem. Yeah, I like this. That's my head cannon. Thank you. Thank you, John. Putting that in there. He gets it back into the ring. As the bell continues. We get the big old elbow. One more for good measure. Crowd seems happy. The ref is pissed. So Randy slaps him to death. Is what I wrote down. He sold so hard like he just slapped him to death. Uh, now he's going so, so far is that he power slams the already dead ref. Uh, another ref watches and begs him to stop, but he elbows the corpse of the ref. Uh, whoms dies from a single slap. This just keeps going. The constant bell ringing. He won't stop. And then army of refs and cops come out. [00:59:28] Speaker B: Well, because refs are very delicate. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Yeah, they're delicate flowers. They have all the authority. Yeah, they have all the authority. But if you touch them. [00:59:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why the matches are inside. Because wind would just. They'd all shatter. [00:59:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like paper mache. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Just right. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Terrible. Tim White, especially here. Oh God, that guy. Yeah, you blow at him, just blow at him. And Timmy's down. And I want. It looks like Macho spending the night in the slammer. I want to believe that stingers do jail for Macho. Like, you know, like pick them up, bring a joint, some sleep, some smokes. [01:00:04] Speaker B: You know, like I just brought him a cake. It's just a cake. There's nothing inside. [01:00:09] Speaker A: But yeah. Remember folks, jail support is the most important part of direct action. The fans have his back. [01:00:16] Speaker B: Home economics. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. You gotta take care of your people. Bring, bring muffins. Even folks love that matcha tea. We love us in the unhinged toss. They say crazy. I say on like I've refused to call him crazy. He's just doing the hangman thing. We love it when Hangman does arson. Why? Why not Macho? You know, like I feel like that's what MJF is. Yeah, mj, I'm. I sound like MJF right now though. It's like, why not explain it to me like. Like let me do it. You're being hypocrites Let me prove my point. And like, no, you don't. You don't get to light a guy on fire, dude. As much as it'd be great. [01:00:55] Speaker B: No, no, ECW is not a thing anymore. [01:00:58] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, God, yes. I don't like it. Vince is taking notes of the unhinged us and the guy getting arrested though, because right now Steven is, Stephen is in a button up in Ray Bans and that's not gonna. And he's like, I need, I like this Austin guy, but this is. I gotta do something. Maybe he should get arrested a year for now and I'll act like it was my idea. [01:01:23] Speaker B: To be fair, the Ray Bans are still better than the ringmaster. [01:01:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Holy hell. Yeah. He's, he's wearing the black. At least he's not like in random green because the million dollar Champion. [01:01:35] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [01:01:36] Speaker A: I don't, I don't like it. But yeah, damn it. There's grabs to be had. Dimolenko and Jushin Thunder Liger and oh. [01:01:46] Speaker B: My God, this was awesome. This was so good. [01:01:49] Speaker A: It's so good. I became the Winnie poo gif of where he's like tying on the napkin to tuck in. Like, I, I am eating well. Looks amazing. He, he looks like a Power Ranger with like a cape. [01:02:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I, I had wrote down like complete like Power Ranger energy coming out. [01:02:07] Speaker A: Absolutely. And I was like, it's around that time. Like I'm into it. That's that. Other things that 8 year old Garrick enjoyed. So no wonder I love this. Mago says that Sonny Ono is like Japan's equivalent of Jimmy Hart, except he isn't. I don't think Sonny Ono is actually from Japan. Bobby says more like Donald Trump making big deals. And I was like, okay, so here we are. This lie has existed for so long. [01:02:36] Speaker B: Oh, oh, this. Oh, way before that. Back in the day. [01:02:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. But they have been like, enter has been eating it to us for so long that no wonder a bunch of people actually believe that he, he like knows what he's doing because the, the. [01:02:53] Speaker B: The manipulative businessman, the, that, that's been a thing for forever. That's just a classic trope. [01:03:01] Speaker A: I mean the, it's a character, it's his gimmick. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [01:03:06] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yes. But I did get a kick out of like at the announce desk. They actually pushed like, this is going to be technical wrestling. [01:03:13] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [01:03:14] Speaker B: It was exciting and it really is. [01:03:17] Speaker A: Because like this match is cooking in. [01:03:19] Speaker B: It is. [01:03:20] Speaker A: They did something I didn't like they did the Raw thing a little bit where they take away from the amazing match to Rick and his tux with his collection of women. But that, that'll be more later. [01:03:30] Speaker B: But that's because they're, they're, they're also gonna not quite as, quite as untenably as the way that they were pushing Shawn Michaels nailing everybody in raw, but they still need to keep pushing through the who. This is our big story leading up to our pay per view. So we've got to make sure you know just how cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs he is. And it's because of this man, this guy. [01:03:55] Speaker A: But they, they did it tastefully, you know, it was. They, they pulled away a little bit, but they go back and, and when they go back, Leger brain busters the ever loving hell out of Dean for two. So, like, I'm not mad. [01:04:08] Speaker B: I'm not either because like you said, when they go back to the match, they actually focus on the match and. [01:04:14] Speaker A: And they keep with it. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And one of my notes was just like, you know, Malenko's not just a strong man. He can really move. And you see that in this match with Ejushin, it was. Oh, man, it was good. [01:04:26] Speaker A: They get all tied up on each other. Like they're doing all kinds of submissions and there's just boots and butts and like. Yes. This is amazing technical wrestling. Yeah. All the while, Rick and the ladies are champ. [01:04:40] Speaker B: And can I so one, one thing, another thing that how they push this whole, like stealing your woman angle so much better than Vince does is they have, like you said, it's classier and Raw with the way that they're pushing boobs in the camera all the time with Sunny and all the. It was. They do so much more subtle and yet therefore more effective job on Nitro with the pushing the women. [01:05:09] Speaker A: And like, at the end of the day, it's, it's like hating on some women in general, but they are doing it almost more respectfully. [01:05:19] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:20] Speaker A: In the sense that because like woman. I feel like woman gets a lot of that across. I've talked about before. Like, you could say, like, because one guest we had was like, her name's just Woman. Like, that seems awful. And I was like, here's the thing though. It's not because she's woman. Like, she's the most dastardly person there. Rick thinks that he is in control of a woman, but woman would like kill him in his sleep like a Roman. [01:05:48] Speaker B: Right. [01:05:48] Speaker A: Caesar. You know, like, like woman is. [01:05:51] Speaker B: It's like the embodiment of like the, the, the unexpected sort of the way women have to maneuver in the background but ultimately control the power behind the throne. [01:06:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's woman. And like that's why I got, I never got icky feelings about woman that way. Not in the way that I do about Liz. Liz, Liz. All those. Woman is just like. No, woman's just a bad, like woman just knows what she's doing. You know, like, that's fine. Woman, Woman is, is, is working flair. Let, let her get, let her get her money. Okay. Basically. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, like she's making, she's making her own decisions very clearly. [01:06:32] Speaker A: Exactly. Like woman is actually in fact winning here. And I'm not mad at it like for the distraction. Again I say because the audacity of Flair, of setting up a table to have a VIP section in the middle of a wrestling show pleases me to no end. Like again, it's just, it's, it's great, silly ridiculous storytelling that is similar. What Raw, what Vince is trying to do better than he ever. Basically. The execution is just so much better. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Well, Flair has been this character for ever. Decades. He got it down. He is fantastic at this. And they're good at the little like under note to it too because again, I mean, I hate that they felt the need to call it out, but it is, they didn't belabor it was the idea that like, yeah, he, he's the scumbag who of course you know, ultimately is a coward because he waited until Randy was out of the building. [01:07:36] Speaker A: Yep, exactly, exactly. He waited till Randy was gone up his little. Yep, exactly. And, and that's the kind of thing where like in a more media literate world before, you know, like that thing we're dealing with now where all the anti heroes, every, all these guys see the anti heroes and they think that like this is the good guy. It's like, no, no, Walter, Walter White was in fact a monster. Rick Sanchez is villain of like you got like, like you didn't. You don't realize that even 1996 there's still like, that's what's great about wrestling is like Ric Flair is this who is like trying to Mongo's wife in front of him on live TV with collecting women and he's this piece of. But he's a coward and we're gonna make sure you understand. Supposed to hate him. [01:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. It's a multi dimensional character, right? [01:08:34] Speaker A: It's, it's, it's really good stuff. Speaking of good stuff, Eric tells Us that May and June's gonna get very interesting in wcw. And I'm like, wait, is he already. Is he already talking to Scott and Big Kev, like, interesting, maybe like the curtain call hasn't happened yet, but. Okay. [01:08:52] Speaker B: No, I don't remember when they started those talks. [01:08:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's got to be coming up because it's the end of the. The end of this month is when Scott hall comes out. And so, like, I. [01:09:04] Speaker B: You. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Because you're talking about that or the luchas and title. We'll see either way. Excited. Garrick is excited. Bobby gets caught up defending Sonny Ono and he, like, admits that he's on the take. He's like. [01:09:19] Speaker B: But again, that's. But that's so perfect for Bobby for so long. That idea of, like, he accidentally over speaks and shows it shows his ass, basically. And it. He's so good. [01:09:33] Speaker A: It never goes out of style, basically. [01:09:35] Speaker B: No. [01:09:36] Speaker A: You know, who's been, as far as like, relating to modern stuff? Who's been. I. I think I can tell that he's been like, dipping into the pool of. Heenan is MVP on commentary on Aw. He has been paying attention to the classics. You can tell. And I'm, Ah, love you, man. Like, holy. MVP is. Is so great. I'm so happy in general that he's back and, and getting to do more and he's. He being able to like, have that kind of more control into it that he can, like, do that, you know, do that stuff. [01:10:11] Speaker B: Yes. [01:10:12] Speaker A: Because I could. Don't think we don't notice, dude. Like, don't think we don't notice because I. I know I'm like, that's Bobby Heenan. You're doing Bobby Heenan. Please do more Bobby Heenan. Yes. Call us humanoids. I will pop so hard if you call me a humanoid. Yeah, like, I will. Yes. But as far as craps, Liger hits a elbow like Hakushi just to let us know that New Japan wrestling is, you know, still the best. Always has, but everyone pops. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Well, he's just amazing in this match too. How much. How well he's, How. How much emotion he conveys. Well, he can't use, you know, there's no face. He's got a mask. And he's still able to make so much clear. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Yeah, no, he's. And he's. He was on the nitro and a reoccurring character on our show. I will never stop saying good things about dude. Like, he's just so. He still shows up at spots like her and like, he doesn't even have to wrestle. I'm just gonna go. [01:11:11] Speaker B: It's just exciting to be mask of the thing. [01:11:16] Speaker A: Like, I'm an easy mark. Mano does his. [01:11:20] Speaker B: But that's the thing is, like, if it. If it's done well, you should be. [01:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you should be. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing to be an easy mark. And like, this match, I'm an easy mark for the match as well. Like, it cooks Malenko to get into the finisher. Goes for a power bomb. Liger just kind of sits on his chest for two, and then he ends up, like, hitting longer leger with a tiger bomb. He, well, sets it up. Tiger mom, of all things, for free. And like, holy, what a match. [01:11:50] Speaker B: Like, oh, it was fantastic. Like, I get why we had to pull away to do the flare bit, but I wish it wasn't this match that we had to pull away to do it in. [01:11:58] Speaker A: Right, yeah, exactly. I get it, but whatever. And, like, speaking of nature, boy, we come back from commercial and we're like, we're gonna talk to them now. We got women and Liz and Rick lets us know that he is very rich and he is very rude. His masculinity is, in fact, insecure. He lets us know all these things, and he tells us that the giant guy get his belt back. He then sings to himself about being humble. All this. Yeah, yeah. [01:12:27] Speaker B: But see, what's nice here is, like, okay. Whereas when RA had someone on the mic who can talk, Vince had to jump into it. He couldn't just let those two talk. Whereas at least here, they know enough. Like, he's been doing this longer than. [01:12:43] Speaker A: You just let him go. [01:12:44] Speaker B: Shut up and let him do it. He's good at it. [01:12:45] Speaker A: He's good at. Even when he's being, like, honestly, almost nonsensical, it's making. And it's making enough sense to be like, nah, I get it. It's his movement. So it almost comes drunk. And I feel like that's what he's trying to get. He's, like, acting drunk and he realized, oh, no, this is on purpose. Holy. He. That piece of is a genius. [01:13:07] Speaker B: Yeah, because it. [01:13:08] Speaker A: All this is is exposition with Rick and the girls, and it does a great job. He tells us how slamberries all this. He tries to sleep with Mongo's wife. Great. Dumps out his drink in boundary. So naturally, Rick makes a joke about his dad, you know, like, that's right. Because that's what you do. Of course. Yeah. Because it's Rick. Oh, God. I hate him. Macho man, though. Then we come back from commercially hypnotizes us with a little watch and. Yeah. [01:13:35] Speaker B: That quickly. [01:13:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I had a little bit of nostalgia there. Quick nap and I was like, oh, that's nice. That's gonna. That's gonna show up in my dreams. That's good. That's terrifying. Back to the grabs. It's Regal time. British lord that talks like a work Blackpool. He's all stitched up because last week elf ass bruiser beat him up with four trucks. Basically. They had. [01:13:56] Speaker B: Yep. [01:13:57] Speaker A: That was though. That was such a time. He is. [01:14:01] Speaker B: And it was so great that they carried it over too. [01:14:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And I honestly, I think that he might actually be real sore still because a lot of this match was like, they're. [01:14:12] Speaker B: They're. [01:14:12] Speaker A: He's doing a lot of really great crowd work. But also like that's Regal's thing too is that he. He's talked about how he'll like pay attention to the crowd before it's his time to go out because they're the. The type of crowd it is. Is going to tell him what type of match he works, basically. [01:14:28] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. And he gives great face. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. The best face. And you could tell that he paid attention. He's like, oh, there's channels like, oh, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna piss off these channers. Like, he got up. [01:14:40] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [01:14:41] Speaker A: Right in the ECW guys face on Adam, it was so good. And I think that he really played into that too because he's. He had to have been sore, you know, so it's like a lot of. It was doing that a lot of like matching of strength stuff, but he also took a couple real big bumps and it just all comes down to. God, I. I love Regal. Like, Regal's so good at that. [01:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. He's really good at being that. Not quite top of the card, but not really undercard either. [01:15:14] Speaker A: He's the king. He's the king of getting the assignment and knowing how to like, wait, just do his. And he's doing odd forget too. He's doing all this with a broken neck that we wouldn't find out until decades later. And I always got to mention that because it blows my mind because what the. My guy. Oh, this is wild. It was an amazing match. Even though Sting is kind of dressed like Mark, like a bar. Like I don't have. [01:15:39] Speaker B: Well, we're. We're. It's that evolution from like Beach Bums, it's working its way. But this crowd, like from the Second he walks out, they're ready to sign over their firstborn child. [01:15:51] Speaker A: No, they're losing it. Yeah. He's like. And, oh, I do have to mention, because it was wild time machines that are totally not being built in my sub basement, there's a pink sign that reads, TNT is dynamite now. Now. Now, as we know, TNT is collision dynamites on tbs. But it was close. And that was a. Freaked me out. [01:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:14] Speaker A: I had to go. I had to go back. [01:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah, we're in that whole time. It's a flat circle thing here. Yeah. Big time. [01:16:20] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is. I'm doing this show too long already. I'm starting to see. But it was pretty fun. [01:16:29] Speaker B: But it was. And you know, the desk is really good on this again. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:32] Speaker B: Because they're pushing slamboree, but they're tying it to the match that we're watching. [01:16:36] Speaker A: Yes. Which isn't that hard to do. Vince, take notes. [01:16:39] Speaker B: No, no. But they're also. They're. They're. They're just. They just start laying the groundwork for later on in the show, too, with, you know, it's. By implying that it's disappointing that Luger's not here to support his partner. [01:16:52] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's a dark time for. Blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. Speaking of a bar. Dark time for Stinger, though I do have to say, unfortunately, no. He's starting. This is the start of a program, I think him in Regal, and he likes to make fun of Regal for being prissy. And it's the only time. It's like, literally the only thing I've ever seen made me go is, like, when he jokes about trying straighten Regal. And like, we're. Yeah, we're getting there. It's unfortunate. We'll get Crow soon and he'll stop talking, which is all I've ever really wanted from Steve Borden. It says, don't talk, just wrestle, please. I love you, buddy. It's not don't meet your heroes, kids. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that is a good. [01:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So he does this little, like, limp wrist taunt at Regal because of how he thinks he's gay because of how British he is, I guess. And I mean, that happens all the time. I needed confirmation. I've been with Shaw. I get it. Like, it's. [01:17:52] Speaker B: It. It's the. I hate to say it, but it's the style of the time. [01:17:56] Speaker A: Yeah. It's the 90s. [01:17:57] Speaker B: It's that whole. Like, it's that. That blend of the whole like upper crust sort of. Of can't hold your own concept tied into obviously, you know, being unable to defend yourself would be feminine sort of. Yeah, that was just how it was. And you know, he's not the only one who does that sort of stuff towards Regal because of the. That's just not saying that it's okay. But that's just how it was. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, that's most of. That's so much of what our show is. I mean, that's why Star is like, it's me and a bunch of other queer wrestling fans going, let's. Let's process some. Huh? You know? Yeah, let's go have some fun, kids. Come on, girls. [01:18:39] Speaker B: It's a prime example of like, you know better, so you do better. [01:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah, but now we know better. But. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [01:18:47] Speaker A: But you have to look back on Be like, okay, well, there's a reason that I, I would. I was in the closet for so long because this is what. [01:18:55] Speaker B: Right. [01:18:55] Speaker A: This is what was being how it was. Yeah. So like, it's understandable of like, okay, I, I feel less bad about taking to my 30s to come out because like, what do you expect when this is what is being fed to us? It would never. Meet your heroes, kids. [01:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:19:11] Speaker A: Or. [01:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah. It makes. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Or in this case look back at their work as a grown up. [01:19:17] Speaker B: Well, it does it. Being able to look back does. Just like you said, it. It makes we understand why we've made the decisions we made a lot better. Being able to look back at it again. Yeah. [01:19:29] Speaker A: And that's why I. God, we could have no listeners. I'd still probably do this show because it's just like, it truly is fascinating to me to like. [01:19:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:38] Speaker A: Pull random people sometimes off my timeline quite like you like random people. People off the Internet and go, can we just like, talk about this? Like, can we talk about this thing that happened to all of us in the 90s, like, that this was just like. And it's like kind of directly responsible for the hellscape that we're living in because it gave us the, it gave politicians and more importantly Trump the concept of kayfabe. And like they've used it to break our country, basically. [01:20:09] Speaker B: I remember that. I know that there's a lot of talk about, you know, how much his time with wrestling really impacted his campaigning and his style. And it's so. Especially when you look back to the stuff at this time period that we're watching and you. It's just start to 10 foot tall, blinking neon Letters. When you review it now, it's like. [01:20:34] Speaker A: Seeing the code in the Matrix. It's like, oh, no. Yeah, you're going, oh, wait. Oh, wow. [01:20:40] Speaker B: No, I get it. [01:20:41] Speaker A: Okay, so this has been a thing. And then. Yeah. Read Josie's book and you're like, oh, he's been a wrestling fan since he was a kid. Okay. This. No wonder. All right, this is. Yeah, it was inevitable to a certain extent. Like, oh, God. Speaking of inevitable, Sting. Sting ends up winning this match a really some way. I will give him this. Regal goes to get him in like an underhook suplex. And instead Sting stands up with him still hooked. Yes. And it's not even like a backdrop. He literally like slams down on top of him and keeps the hook and bridges for the pin. [01:21:23] Speaker B: Yes. And that's one thing Sting always does. He. It feels like he works in a bridge with his pins more than everyone else. [01:21:38] Speaker A: He knows what long time listeners know that wrestling is in fact all about bridging the pin combination. Damn it. Like, it's, that's, it's what makes it better. It's like, it's like a sprinkle of msg. Like, yeah, it's a, it's a good dish, but it could be better if you just bridge. [01:21:54] Speaker B: So much better if you just did this. [01:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, just bridge that German. Damn it. Yeah. [01:21:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:22:00] Speaker A: Oh, so that, that was a fun enough match. We come back from commercial and it's Luger's music going, but instead Jim Duggan and like, wait, that's Jim Duggan? Bobby says it has to be. No one else would look that stupid. I was like, yes, indeed. [01:22:15] Speaker B: Again, because Bobby is a freaking. He is a poet on that announcement. [01:22:20] Speaker A: He's on fire. He's so on fire. [01:22:22] Speaker B: He is so good. [01:22:23] Speaker A: You know, he's just like, I'm, I'm ready and you give me dug in. That's ammo. You know, there's so much ammunition. [01:22:30] Speaker B: Well, plus he's been. He's been doing this with Doug on Duggan for decades. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Back to like AWA days like those. These guys have been working together forever. The commentary booth is confused. The fans are having a great time, though. Dug it. He's waving his flag. He's all up. And Regal just got done getting American Revolution heat, so they're all usa. Usa. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Well, I mean, when he first comes out, the crowd isn't buying it because they're, they are confused, like you said. [01:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah. They want the Lex. Yeah. [01:22:58] Speaker B: But as soon as it's clear that what we're doing here, then they're all behind. [01:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I mean, I would be because like good for Jim, because I, I wasn't sure what was happening here. The Gooner music hits. The dungeon of Doom music hits. [01:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:15] Speaker A: And I was like, oh, it's a. It's a Gooner. And it's like, oh, it's the giant. It's the. He got. He's main eventing nitro. Like holy. I don't think it's gonna go well for him, but good, good on you, Duggan. Giant gets booed hard and I imagine this is. Isn't going to be a five star classic, but you know, it should be all right. Duggan is smart. He doesn't wait for the bell. He just starts trying to take eventually. [01:23:40] Speaker B: Which makes sense for like the lovable doofus who's taken his chance. [01:23:43] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, I gotta give down right away. And he stops to get a USA chano. Like just come on, power me up with your. Your jingoism. It feeds me like spinach, you know? [01:23:55] Speaker B: Yes, the, the, the. The dug in version of like hulking. [01:23:58] Speaker A: Yes, yes, exactly. Feed. Feed me the America. Take down the giant right for a bit there though. Like it didn't go well. Giants like just, just squishing Duggan in the corner with his body kind of rubbing on him like Baloo scratching his back and a tree. [01:24:15] Speaker B: It was, it was. It's the whole. Where again, it's a throwback to Andre with the whole. The pulling. The related kind of thing that they were sort of doing with this character let die out. [01:24:27] Speaker A: They're like, they're letting it go where I feel like we are firmly in the slowly letting it go. I got. I gotta say though, as far as weird moves go, that might fix me. I mean it gives a talk about full, full body massage. Like. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm going to massage you with my full body. I'm like, yeah, let's do that. That's gotta feel good. So this goes on for a bit. [01:24:49] Speaker B: It's like, it's like a weighted blanket kind of. [01:24:52] Speaker A: Yeah, really? Really Weighted blanket. Okay. [01:24:54] Speaker B: Weighted blanket. [01:24:55] Speaker A: Yeah, a Paul White weighted blanket. [01:24:58] Speaker B: And one thing though in this match though is like they're all so much younger because, like he's so much more limber. [01:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a big. [01:25:06] Speaker B: He's throwing that leg right up, you. [01:25:08] Speaker A: Know, he's really like, it's nothing. Yeah. Now you see him and it's like, ah, damn, dude, you're. You're old. I still can't believe we got power slammed on the hood of car that one time on, on Aw. A while back. I was like, dude, stop. I love you. Don't do that anymore. Freaking me out. [01:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it hurts just to watch it. And not because I'm supposed to believe it hurts. Hurts, but because you. It will hurt you. [01:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Like I'm in my 30s even. I'm watching just going, oh, like, yeah. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Oh, my back, sir. [01:25:36] Speaker A: My back goes out watching it. This goes on for a bit for Doug and he's run out of tricks. So he goes tape. But Giants like, no, no, no. Choke slams. [01:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:45] Speaker A: And then I, I checked the time and I was like, there's five minutes left. I was like, is he just gonna play with his food? And he kind of does. He slams him a bit. And then we get an old favorite of mine that they bring back where they just start sending every wrestler in street clothes to the ring to get eaten by the giants. [01:26:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:05] Speaker A: Even Flair comes with a chair. It's not worth Sting. [01:26:10] Speaker B: But the run out is necessary. [01:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta to get us to. [01:26:13] Speaker B: What, the cliffhanger that we're gonna end up. [01:26:15] Speaker A: Exactly. Because Sting even tries to save Flair and everyone come to slay the giant. And I'm, I'm easy because I could watch this. Like, this is, this is fantastic. [01:26:25] Speaker B: And again they, they, they do the multi dimensional character with Flair because he comes out to show off that he's the man. He could do this. But he comes out with a chair. [01:26:35] Speaker A: He comes out with a chair because he's not that much. [01:26:38] Speaker B: He knows he can't. [01:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And then this is a giant. [01:26:41] Speaker B: So damn good. [01:26:42] Speaker A: I just lost my belt to this guy. He's kicked my ass. I want to get choke slammed again. That sucked. So. [01:26:48] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [01:26:49] Speaker A: Sting is WCW's conquering. Really gets him down. Almost gets the leg lock, but Jimmy Hart breaks it up. And finally, here comes Lex Luger in what appears to be a zoot suit Romper. [01:27:04] Speaker B: Again we go back to it was the fashion at the time. [01:27:07] Speaker A: I'm into it. I didn't say anything. [01:27:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's. It's like the, it's like the Z. Cavarici pants sort of thing we're going with. [01:27:14] Speaker A: I kind of want it in a skort. I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'd wear it. But Sicko, they. [01:27:20] Speaker B: It's Cavari did do shorts. [01:27:22] Speaker A: There you go. [01:27:22] Speaker B: Just to let you know, I'm gonna. [01:27:24] Speaker A: Be looking that up. Oh, yeah. Sickos are our hot dog. Hot dog man boyfriend. Is stylish tonight, but gold Labrador puppy boyfriend Sting is pissed at him, so. [01:27:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:27:35] Speaker A: They yell at each other. Basically. It's great because I. I like the way this ended. I was like. That was interrupted. I remembered, like, the weirdness of the timing of this is like they're just yelling at each other until someone tells me and Gene that basketball started. Get the hell out of there. [01:27:51] Speaker B: Right, right. Like, we got another minute or two. Come on. [01:27:54] Speaker A: It made more sense. Yeah. Have a lovers quarrel until Mean jeans. Like, but. What a nitro. But again, yeah, that was a hell of a nice show. Oh, what. [01:28:03] Speaker B: But Bobby Heaton being the perfect announced ass. They're wrapping the show. They're pulling out, and you're heating at the very, very end. He throws that in like the master that he is with this painting. He knows it needs that one last little breaststroke. [01:28:23] Speaker A: Just one little accidental call for violence. Happy tree. [01:28:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that was perfect. [01:28:28] Speaker A: Yeah. No, he really is the. The master of his craft. This is. This really is a Bobby Heenan love. Love podcast is what this whole show is. [01:28:38] Speaker B: Anybody who has any familiarity with old wrestling prior to like, 2000, you. You can't not. [01:28:46] Speaker A: It's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, he's. He's undeniable, basically. Yeah, well, you just can't. That's where he's undeniable. Bobby Heat. He's. He's the best. But, yeah, we did it. We got. [01:29:00] Speaker B: And he's the best because on the note of, like, being a good human being and not a humanoid. Yeah, he was. He was the only person when Vince was going through and stealing everybody from everywhere back in the 80s, he gave Gagna his two weeks with AWA and he actually worked it. [01:29:22] Speaker A: He actually worked it where like. Like Hogan was out. [01:29:25] Speaker B: Like, everyone just left. [01:29:27] Speaker A: Everyone left. And. Yeah, because, yeah, Gagny was. Wouldn't, Wouldn't, wouldn't sell out. He. He wrote. He wrote that. Oh, gosh. I. I talk about a lot. But listeners, if you ever want to do a. Not what I do here. Here. I make funny little silly. The. The lapsed fan does the. The real work. They. Yeah. Uh, they have a whole story and aim for. And you can hear the sad tale of the Gagneys. [01:29:57] Speaker B: So, like, yeah, just like he kicked that dead horse until the bones had turned to powder, man. [01:30:05] Speaker A: That's. And that's our local guy. Like, holy. That he and everyone. It's amazing. Sometimes I'll go on rants random people, because I do dogs things. So I meet a lot of strangers and they'll be like, what are you doing? My guy podcast. [01:30:20] Speaker B: What? [01:30:20] Speaker A: Wrestling. And they get this. What? Hey, I like, look on their face like, oh, God, no. But it's too late. You did. [01:30:29] Speaker B: Careful what you asked for. [01:30:30] Speaker A: Minneapolis, the home of the awa. [01:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:34] Speaker A: Now you're gonna hear about. Because of who I am as a person. This is why a podcast. I'm not a writer. I'm a ranter. Speaking of the best. [01:30:43] Speaker B: Yeah. There aren't many columnist gigs anymore. [01:30:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:46] Speaker B: This is what you gotta do. [01:30:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Now radio doesn't exist. We make our own. But we are. We have moved on to the last two questions of this gig. Do you have a favorite match this week? [01:30:57] Speaker B: I'm gonna say Malenko and Liger. [01:31:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I kind of have to do. [01:31:01] Speaker B: That was just so freaking good as. [01:31:03] Speaker A: Far as matches go. I really. I. I really have to give it to. To Malenko and Liger. The other question would be, who won this week? Nitro or raw? I think knee was. [01:31:15] Speaker B: Oh. Hands down. [01:31:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:17] Speaker B: The guys who didn't feel the need to try and sell boner bills. [01:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. No, we'll. We will sell you boners through you popping so hard for the grabs. Exactly. [01:31:26] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. The way it's supposed to be, the. [01:31:29] Speaker A: Way the Lord intended. We'll get you hard with sweaty men wrestling in the ring. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Whoops. But yes. [01:31:38] Speaker B: Hey, you know, the real bonus, not the fear bonus. [01:31:42] Speaker A: I don't know. Mago has been doing the Tobias Fuke thing for a couple weeks where he keeps saying stuff where I'm like, did you hear what you just said, Mango? Like, that's. [01:31:51] Speaker B: That's just. That's just him. That's not a few weeks. That's just. [01:31:55] Speaker A: That's just Mago. Thankfully, he will be. He will be going in the back and finding some. Some. Some trunks soon, thankfully. Holy crap. But, hey, we did it. [01:32:08] Speaker B: That poor Chihuahua can. Can rest. [01:32:10] Speaker A: Yes. He can go back into his mama's arms and. Oh, Pepe, I don't think we even. Oh, we didn't even talk about Pepe. Obligatory Pepe talk. He was a sailor this week, folks. He was a little sailor guy. [01:32:25] Speaker B: Yes. The cutest little fan. [01:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a good one. Well, thank you, Jen, for answering my. [01:32:31] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:32:32] Speaker A: Thank you for answering my random call. And not for the sake of science, but the sake of home ec. Because other. Other studies need. Need their. Their support as well. And I agree. Yeah. So thank you for letting me prod you and wrestling at you. [01:32:47] Speaker B: Oh, thank you for giving me the excuse to ramble on about old wrestling for a couple of hours. [01:32:53] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Because my husband really has hit his. [01:32:55] Speaker A: Fill on this exact. You've hit on another reason why I did the podcast. I have to about this to someone so I. I'll just microphone. I'm giving the consent listener, you know, if you want, yes, you can. Otherwise I'm just gonna. But if you should let people if you want know where to find you. If not, don't. But this would be. If you have anything to promote or anything like that that you want to do or your posts. We're all posters, are we not? [01:33:28] Speaker B: No, no, we are. That's really like I'm old and tired. [01:33:32] Speaker A: I know. [01:33:33] Speaker B: I got nothing do any stuff anymore. [01:33:35] Speaker A: Yeah. You watch wrestling. But yes. Thank you. Big mystery. Big mistake. On. On the Blue sky. At the very least, you will often see Jen riffing on Russell sky and I occasionally. [01:33:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:49] Speaker A: I love. [01:33:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I'm. Because I'm old. I get tired. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Yeah. We. Oh God, don't we all. But thank you for hanging out. [01:33:57] Speaker B: Thank you for inviting me in. This was great. [01:34:00] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:34:00] Speaker B: And these were. There were some really good matches on this to talk about. [01:34:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:04] Speaker B: Some really horrible stuff to whine about. [01:34:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So you really. You got the full gambit of the show. You really did. [01:34:11] Speaker B: All the emotions. [01:34:11] Speaker A: All of them. But thank you folks for listening and we will see you next week for nitro on Monday night. Fake fights. Okay, bye. [01:34:19] Speaker B: Sounds great. Bye.
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