Grab 'em by the Cocaine w/Juno Rylee Schultz

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The following is from Ghost Coast Studios. [00:00:02] Speaker B: The world's first and only podcast network. [00:00:06] Speaker A: As soon as he starts doing the Jigglypuff music. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:09] Speaker A: And sticking his fingers in people's mouths over at my dad, and I was like, you're still homophobic. All right. [00:00:27] Speaker B: It's hard every time. Welcome back to Monday Night Fake Fights, where I, Garrett Taylor, she. They am doing a rewatch of the Monday Night wars and making it everyone's problem. This week's very steamy victim is. [00:00:42] Speaker A: Oh, hi. My name is Juno. My pronouns are she, her. I am a writer, journalist, sex worker, and I don't know. I don't know what else to say. At least triple, I'm homeless. Give me a book deal and a house. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Yes. Send Juno money. Quadruple threat. There. There you go. I'm all these things. And also money, please. [00:01:10] Speaker A: I like the fourth thing of the quadruple threat being give me money. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:01:14] Speaker A: And also I want money. [00:01:16] Speaker B: Yes. Singer, dancer. I direct money, please. [00:01:21] Speaker A: That's perfect. [00:01:23] Speaker B: Welcome. We've been trying for, like, a month now to get you on, and I'm happy you are no longer sick and being homeless is awful and, like, the hardest thing to get to, podcasting around. So thank you for even doing this. I don't. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm excited. [00:01:40] Speaker B: I don't have a huge listener base, but maybe one of them could get you a book deal. So I need to have my friend on there. This is a lot of folks. I'm a peek behind the curtain into gorilla position. This is a lot of what the show is. My. My friends come, my friends be on my thing and be seen by my followers. Send them money. Followers. [00:02:03] Speaker A: And one of us will build a big commune where we can all go not die. It'll be great. [00:02:07] Speaker B: Yes. And there will be a wrestling ring, and then. [00:02:09] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that would be so cool. A wrestling ring inside the Communist Not Die kingdom. [00:02:14] Speaker B: If we had a Communist Not Die kingdom, you know, I'd have a gym going. Oh, yeah. [00:02:19] Speaker A: So cool. [00:02:20] Speaker B: We'd be doing a fed. It's on running bit. I say, after the nuclear war, we will still have professional wrestling. Each. Each town will have its. Its big guys. And you get your big guys, and your big guys go to different towns and fight the other big guys. And that's just. It's gonna happen. We've always. Yeah. [00:02:38] Speaker A: Big guy fights. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah. It's gonna be Thunderdome again. We will resurrect Tina Turner. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Speaking of big guy fights, I really like. I mean, I don't like that Wrestlers were abused and all that stuff. But I really like that when confronted if they were using testosterone and stuff, everyone was like, no way. No, we're all just like super jacked. No, no, I do like lots of push ups and they're like six times bigger than any person like within a 1,000 mile radius. I always thought that was fun. Even as a kid. That was funny to me. Like, come on, you guys are doing testosterone and stuff. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, they're. They're doing so much. I've heard, I've heard the court transcripts they were doing. [00:03:17] Speaker A: So it's just very funny seeing someone like Hulk Hogan go, no way. These are all from working out. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Well, no, I was just. It's not, it's not in. Like, I did, I did take steroids, but it was healing. You know, is for healing is prescribed and like that's always steroids. [00:03:33] Speaker A: But I didn't inhale the stereo. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't inhale the growth hormone. So it sounds like you have a little bit of history, of understanding of wrestling. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I. Okay, so. Oh, is this the time for to talk about that too? [00:03:46] Speaker B: Oh, I was gonna say, please. [00:03:49] Speaker A: I have kind of a weird history with wrestling where I. Okay, so growing up, I was abused, blah, blah, blah. Forced to boy mode. And while boy moding, I was only allowed access to the stuff that, you know, somebody from like a rural town would traditionally want their CIS het boy kid to do, you know, whatever. So that for. And. And I didn't want to do fishing and all that stuff. My dad made me and I hated that stuff. But the stuff that he was okay with that I was like, well, this is cool as. I can't believe my dad like this. [00:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Was wrestling on TV Ninja Turtles. I was like, this is gay as too. But okay. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Oh yeah, that's a different podcast. But again, if. If it exists, have me. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And in video games, those three things, I was in art and stuff like that and reading, I was allowed to do those things. And those things were like boy things that I could do. But the whole time I was watching wrestling, I was like, how is my dad homophobic? But this is okay. Whatever. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like you don't understand that this is the gayest shit that ever exists. Right? [00:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah, like, I liked it but like I was watching it differently than he was. He was watch. Like, these guys are tough. And I was watching it like, these are some really cool storylines. I love their costumes. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah. They're showing me real emotion and vulnerability during these Fights at my house. [00:05:05] Speaker A: We're not allowed to have emotions on the wrestling stage. They are. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Exactly. Again, I'm. [00:05:10] Speaker A: Oh, Josie's book. Josie's books. [00:05:12] Speaker B: And Josie's got an essay specifically about how wrestling. Oh, my God. [00:05:19] Speaker A: Oh, good. [00:05:20] Speaker B: It's so good. [00:05:20] Speaker A: Everyone should read it at least once. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Holy. That. That. That essay. [00:05:24] Speaker A: When I read that essay, I realized I did that too. [00:05:27] Speaker B: I realized. [00:05:28] Speaker A: I realized, oh, I use that to build my. My little character. Before I was old enough to, like, do it differently. I don't know. I would say ages 4 through 9, it was like, okay, boys do this. Got it. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. Yeah. And then after. And I say no, exactly. Because that was absolutely that. And then, like, after that, once testosterone hit, there's just disassociation for a good long while. [00:05:52] Speaker A: It was just like. [00:05:53] Speaker B: So I hope that I. I hope I had a good gimmick, because we're riding it now. [00:05:59] Speaker A: I went from, like, wrestling and, like, huh, I guess this is what boys do. To drinking cough syrup, doing drugs and listening to which. That started for me at 10 and 11. Like, that wasn't like, 17. [00:06:11] Speaker B: It's like, I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it worked for me. [00:06:14] Speaker A: You know, my mom one time told me, you did what you had to do to survive at the time with the tools that you had. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. Oh, when I say my mom, I mean, like, my found mom, My. My real mom, not my abusive piece of biological. [00:06:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say that's an awesome mom because I relate to your story. [00:06:31] Speaker A: There's. Yeah, there's, like, guilt in that. Like, oh, I did all this bad stuff. No, you were surviving. You were. [00:06:35] Speaker B: You were just trying to, like, you. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Weren'T a bad kid. Like, you were trying to stay alive. [00:06:40] Speaker B: You weren't sure you were real. [00:06:43] Speaker A: I need a break, and this drug might help me get a break. [00:06:47] Speaker B: But on that. On that note, that essay and I saw the TV glow are like the two pieces of. Of media that I have ever, like, consumed, if you count that essay is like, media, you know, of some sort. But, like, that I felt so fucking seen. I was like, no, that. Exactly. [00:07:05] Speaker A: That same thing happen with this, like, random Kurt Cobain article that I read one time. I'm just being silly and plugging my work too. [00:07:12] Speaker B: Do it. Oh, no. It's happening. We're. By the end of. By the end of this episode, we're turning all the wrestlers trans, and they can't stop us. It's why I had you on but. [00:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah, like, yeah, Josie's. I, I, that's actually, Josie's probably, she's probably the easiest way for me to like, explain my relationship with wrestling without rambling is like, I, I used it for boy moding and stuff growing up. I enjoyed it from like a gay girl in the closet angle. And it made me feel safer in spaces that I was in than I actually was because it made me think, oh, the people around me are cool with gay. No, people around me are not okay with gay. [00:07:51] Speaker B: No, no. The people, the people at those shows we just watch in your house. 7 on the Patreon. And there's a point where the, a good solid in unison section of that crowd is just screaming faggot at Goldust Lake. Loud as can be. [00:08:08] Speaker A: I'm glad you brought gold dust up because gold when Goldust first. When I be first. I don't remember when gold does like happened, but when I was little, which. [00:08:15] Speaker B: I was born 91, late 95. About the time we started this podcast. Yeah. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So I'm five and six years old when Goldust came out. Then I just didn't know that's when gold started. And that was, that's a. Oh, that's a great. I'm glad you brought up gold dust. That's a great example. When Goldust came out, I'm like, okay, there's space for, like, I didn't know the words for trans and gay, so I'm just going to say this. Weird people like me. You know what I mean? That's all I had in my head. I'm five and six years old, and then everyone's yelling words like faggot. And it's like, oh, never mind. Okay. Yeah, my dad wants gold die. That's why he's happy he's on tonight. Not because he's like, yay, go gold dust. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Exactly. No. I've often talked about how. And it was the same for me. Gold dust is, I think for a lot of us, the first time we encountered gender. Yeah. You know, it's like, yeah, a gender. And I was just like, wait, boy can do pretty. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Boy. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, because boy can do pretty and kick your ass. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Before Goldust, my, my, my not boy, not girl characters were like, like Tweety Bird and like stuff. And it was like, you could tell there's something out there, but you're like, I don't. But Goldust, it was like, oh, there it is. There it is on a person. And what's his name? I wrote, I wrote this in my notes. The what's the guy's name that's in this episode that we're talking about? [00:09:29] Speaker B: Mankind. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Mankind. Mankind's another example where my brains, okay, my brain saw people like mankind and went, oh, okay. If I get like, big and famous and act and. And. And can make money off being, like, big and famous and weird, I'm allowed to be weird, but only, Only if I can make money. I'm not allowed to be mankind at home. I can be mankind on stage. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Oh, Juno, I'm so happy you're on it. [00:09:55] Speaker A: And then that happened with rock stars. Me later too. I saw like David Bowie, Kurt Cobain, and was like, make up on stage. And then even if you're off stage, you're like, well, I'm that rock star. It's okay. [00:10:04] Speaker B: Exactly. Which is how I ended up being in a rock band for like seven. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Yeah. You guys are okay with me doing this because you like my music? I'm allowed to do this. I can, but it's like best buying art in the rock band. You can't wear eyeliner or whatever, you know, it's weird. [00:10:18] Speaker B: Exactly. No, it was a way. [00:10:20] Speaker A: It was my mind when I was little. I couldn't believe it. [00:10:23] Speaker B: It was a way to be safely femme, basically. Yeah. And that. And we lot, like, grab onto. I'm so happy you came on because it's like I cloned me. This is fantastic. We're like very similar trans girls here. [00:10:39] Speaker A: Really. A really. Just really quick side tangent. A really weird thing that happened with me where kind of a saint, kind of a. Okay, the thing I just told you with like my dad and gold dust and going, oh, never mind. That kind of thing happened with my biological mom. And rock star music punk stuff too as well. Biological shithead mom, obviously the family tree mom when I say this story, because this is when I was 14. So long story short, I met my wife, who I'm married to now, when we were both in junior high, and she's the first person that put eyeliner on me. And I'm boy molding at the time, and she put eyeliner on me and she was like, you look so cute. Dah, dah dah. And I'm like, oh, cool. I'm allowed to do this because the girl said I could. [00:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:19] Speaker A: You know, and because my hair is messed up and I got bleach and ripped up denim and I'm ripping up my clothes and shit. I got home and bio mom starts just ripping the fuck into me and I'm just like. But a girl Put this on me. [00:11:33] Speaker B: Yeah, so. [00:11:35] Speaker A: And plus, like, it's part of my style. And it's like, no, it's not. That's homophobic. Or that. That's gay. That's bad. Go wash it off. And it's like, oh, never mind. It's just so weird the way that our world allows and processes gender presentation. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. No one. My best friends would do my nails in homeroom, you know, just because she wanted to. [00:11:53] Speaker A: And I was like, of course. Cool with it. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, like, no, this is totally fine. Because it's like a goof, right, for the bit. [00:12:00] Speaker A: I'm not gay. I just like nail polish. [00:12:02] Speaker B: I'm. Yeah, no, I'm just an advocate. I'm an ally. [00:12:07] Speaker A: That was my wife. That was my wife. [00:12:08] Speaker B: All girl. [00:12:10] Speaker A: I'm boy moding. [00:12:11] Speaker B: We're dating. [00:12:12] Speaker A: She's a dyke, and she's just like, ally, Ally. [00:12:15] Speaker B: You know, like, none of us put this together, so. All right, back on. We could talk about gender forever. We should talk about gender and wrestling. What? [00:12:24] Speaker A: Would you watch a gender podcast later? [00:12:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Gender and traumatic. Traumatic memories. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Gender on the ropes. You know, keep it within the Monday night fake fights. Family. Yeah. Gender Nitro. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yes, that's the name. It's Gender Nitro. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Gender Nitro Raw Mondays or something just like this. Yes. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Gender Monday night Ron. Yes. [00:12:51] Speaker B: We need four pieces of paper. We'll write one of the words on each one of them and pick them at random. [00:12:55] Speaker A: And then we need to get someone to do a Vince impression for that. For the start of that. That podcast where they go. Where we take gender in the nitro or something. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Welcome, everyone. Yeah, exactly. [00:13:07] Speaker A: So I hate how evil he is and good at announcing. He's like the best announcer ever. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Don't. I disagree. [00:13:14] Speaker A: He's a monster. I hate him. But, like, when I hear him announce, I'm like, oh, damn, he's good at. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Okay, maybe I'll give you maybe the announcements at the beginning of the show, maybe. But from then on out, like, him on commentary is just. It may. [00:13:30] Speaker A: It makes this so good at it. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Oh, my God. All right, never mind. [00:13:34] Speaker A: Happening. And he's like. And here they go. And you're like. You're just in. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Immediately. [00:13:40] Speaker B: Folks, this is amazing. We have our. Our first person who likes Vince's commentary. I think that's fantastic. I'm. I welcome. [00:13:47] Speaker A: But I hate him as a human being. And he's. [00:13:49] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Volcano. [00:13:50] Speaker B: Well, that's. That. That's an asterisk that lives on this entire. [00:13:54] Speaker A: See, the problem is he went outside of his strengths. You're supposed to just do your good thing. You're supposed to, oh, I'm good at commentary. Stick to that. He went to be a bad guy, too. You're not supposed to do that. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Fair enough. No, he. He's. If Vince, if anything is greedy, he's Caesar. He might. It must expand or die. Well, we're talking about Vince. Let's start with Raw, because we're talking about Vince so much. So let me scooch my notes down. Look at me. I got notes. I'm a professional. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Me, too. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Right, Right. I'm faking it till I make it. Continuing a trend in wrestling at the time. We're gonna open this RAW with vague accusations of cuckoldry. It seems to be a thing Bulldog's wife wants to. Shawn Michaels, apparently. [00:14:37] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's right. I paused and was like, what? This was just on tv? [00:14:40] Speaker B: Yeah, no, exact. Put this on live tv. And this is a past guest, Arturo, friend of the pod, Arturo Garcia talked about how this era of wrestling is just memory hold. And if I weren't a total mark that, like, absorbs everything, I would not remember this at all. Like, when the. Was Shawn Diana Hart. When did this happen? [00:15:03] Speaker A: Like, yeah, there's stuff that they just put on tv, and it's like, oh, no one was paying attention to what they were putting on the tv. Okay. [00:15:08] Speaker B: That's how. Because it's so memory hold that. It's like. That's how they got on tv. No one was watching, but people were just like. [00:15:14] Speaker A: It's like random people are watching, but, like, none of the. None of the adults in the room were watching. [00:15:18] Speaker B: And it. Yeah. It wasn't a cultural powerhouse like it is now, basically. It was before they were. I think we forget this. Pardon me. We're 35 episodes in now that we started this show in the. The back half of 1995, which is historically the worst year for wrestling, like, ever. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Oh. Like, for watching numbers and stuff and. [00:15:42] Speaker B: And. And product quality and, like, just it. Everybody was sucking. Like, everything sucked. Diesel was champion. No one liked that. It was. And, like, that's where a lot of this memory hole came from, is just. It was a bad year. [00:15:58] Speaker A: Oh, you know what I said? Oh, you're. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're talking about, like, how people will be like, oh, back in the day, they only had good music. And it's like, no, you're only remembering the good songs. You forgot all the bad stuff. [00:16:08] Speaker B: You forgot that some of this sucked. [00:16:10] Speaker A: And, like. [00:16:11] Speaker B: And like when. And even, like, in. I feel like even in the inner wider Internet wrestling community, which I don't like that I'm a part of, but I'm a person who exists online. [00:16:20] Speaker A: It's a complicated community to be a part of. It's like there's. There's. There's pockets of homophobia, but not everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:26] Speaker B: And it just. Well, just the. The people take fandom too far, like they do in any fandom. Oh, my God. [00:16:32] Speaker A: That's one reason why I had to, like, take one foot and kind of slide it back a little bit from game. The games industry, because it's like, oh, some of you guys are just, like, obsessed with games. It's all you do. That's all you care about. You don't talk about anything else. That's weird. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, some of y'all are. Are. My thing with wrestling fans is I will never understand people who are invested in cheering for a company. And, like, the numbers. Yeah. They're trying to win so much money and they did. Saw this. I'm like, you seeing any of that, dude? Then why the do you care? I want to know if I had fun. This is entertaining. Yeah. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Like, start, point out the graphs and say our numbers are up. And it's like, you don't work there. [00:17:13] Speaker B: I don't care. Like, I really don't care. Was the DDT sick? I want to know if it was a sick ddt. So this is the show where we talk about if the DDTs are sick or not. So, like, yeah, DDT is a. The. The move where what it actually means is no one knows. I'm not sure if it was invented by. It was made famous by Jake the Snake Roberts. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Jake the Snake is so cool. [00:17:39] Speaker B: You get the front. Front headlock, your front face lock, where you get, like, the guy's head in here and then you drive it down into the mat. That's a ddt. So they're like, at the side and you sit down like that or lay down like that. So, yeah, it's it. Thank you for asking. [00:17:56] Speaker A: Oh, also, if I do a good job for you, it would be cool if you have me back on for Stone Cold, Stone Cold Steve Austin episodes. Because Stone Cold. When I was a little girl, I loved watching him walk up and hit Vince with chairs. I was like, that's great. I want to hit my dad once. [00:18:11] Speaker B: He'S reached his final form. Because he was on. He will get there. He was on the show, but he's not reached his final form. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah. When he's like, when he. Before the Attitude era and stuff, he's like, not Stone cold Steve Austin. He's just like, lowercase. He's. [00:18:24] Speaker B: Yeah, he's Steve Austin, who is a stone cold personality. Is like, this furthest they've taken. Yeah, well, no, they. They called him Stone cold Steve Austin. [00:18:33] Speaker A: Like, once someone needs to get him a blanket because he's. He's. [00:18:39] Speaker B: He's so chilly. Yeah. But no, he. Bulldog storms out of the dressing room after the. In your house pay per view, because, like, they're screaming about cuckoldry. [00:18:48] Speaker A: I made sure I was watching the right thing when. When it got to that part, I was like, is this the. Oh, this is the wrestling thing? Okay. I went back and clicked on your link again and open a second tab of it just to make sure. [00:18:59] Speaker B: It's like, no, this is just how RAW works. Half of Raw, it still is this way, but back this. This time, it was worse. Half of Raw's replays of stuff that ever happened. But we get to our first grabs, and it's Bart Gunn and the previously mentioned Mankind. My good, good, deranged boy. Mankind is here to scare the hoes, so to speak. And I love him so much. It's. It was like, we talked about, like, he was the one who told me it was okay to be kind of mentally ill, because, girl, you were kind of mentally ill. You know, as soon as. [00:19:30] Speaker A: As soon as he starts doing the Jigglypuff music. [00:19:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And. [00:19:33] Speaker A: And sticking his fingers in people's mouths, like. And I mean, when I was, like, 6 years old watching this, I looked over at my dad and I was like, you're still homophobic. All right. [00:19:43] Speaker B: You're still homophobic. How are you? You. That's like. [00:19:47] Speaker A: She was watching like, this, like. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, yeah. [00:19:50] Speaker B: I'm like, this guy, he. Oh, my God. We'll get there. So, yeah, there's some shots of Mick in the blue lightning that looks almost like moonlight shining through a window. He's, like, kneeling. He's on his knees with his back to the camera, and he's, like, swaying. And they set up the lighting so it looks like moonlight coming through. [00:20:07] Speaker A: It looks like a Pokemon move was just here. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm like, my apologies to the people who hate that. But it was cinematic. It was beautiful. It was lovely. Mankind is too good for this world. [00:20:20] Speaker A: No, it was cool. That was cool. Especially at a time with, like, a budget of zero. [00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah. They found a way. Kevin Dunn behind the camera. Like, they found a Way to make. He's like, I'm gonna make this deep. Whether you like it or not. The matches itself is a slow burn. Lots of back and forth, but fun. Out of nowhere, Mankind goes for the claw, and Bart rolls out of the ring in a hurry. And I like that. Like, well, first of all, Mankind scurries after him. Like a rap. Yeah. Because Mick is like, we see. Yeah, he's just like we discussed last week. [00:20:54] Speaker A: He moves like a resident evil villain. I love it. Yeah, he moves like a resident. He moves like Wesker or something. It's great. [00:20:59] Speaker B: He scurries. Yeah, he's. He's weird. But we talked about last week, he wrestles with his entire. This is a full 360 degree performance. This is a. Like, full immersion. He rips his hair out. He's coming in with a shiner on his face already. He's like a comic book villain. His outfit is one basic color scheme, the shades of brow. He's got symbol on his back. He has a mask. He's acting the part. He's basically a comic book. [00:21:26] Speaker A: Details like that are really cool back then, especially because, like, this is back when wrestlers are completely responsible for every part of their character. Like, they're not getting any. [00:21:36] Speaker B: They gotta run. They gotta run it past them. Yeah, yeah. [00:21:39] Speaker A: But they're still supposed to come up with, like, what they do. Like the. I think you should leave skit where he's like, you have to figure out what Chunky does. Like, that's every wrestler, like, has to. [00:21:49] Speaker B: Figure out, basically do that. Yeah. And like, Mankind had a specific. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Nailed it. He's like. Jigglypuff music plays and I tickled her throat. [00:21:57] Speaker B: Yeah, right. There's all these ways I do with my fingies. But no, his whole. The way that came about, too, was really great because I've talked about parts of it before, but basically he didn't. He. Vince will tell you, like, this is your gimmick. This is the name I'm giving you because I want to trademark it so I can make money off of it forever. But what it's like. It's like when a actor gets the script, it's like, here's the character. But what that character is. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Is up to you. You know what I mean? So, like, he's. [00:22:31] Speaker A: How does he say this line? How does he act like that? [00:22:34] Speaker B: Not right. All. All Mick had was, we're. We're gonna put you in something that looks kind of like this. I want you to have a Hannibal Lecter mask. And. [00:22:44] Speaker A: And, dude, his outfit goes so hard. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And he. Right. He wanted to call him something like. I forget what it was. I've had this exact moment before where I can't think of his name. It was like Mason the Mutilator or something like that. Yeah, right. But he's like, I don't want the. This. Can we. Can I just be Mankind? And he's like, yeah, sure. Yeah. So like that's. He did come end up changing his mind on the name. So like it's not like strict now. It. I think it more is. But back then it really was that. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Now there's so much money involved. Yeah. What are you gonna go out there and do? Not just like. Yeah, go see what happens. [00:23:18] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like, here's your script to where these guys were mostly making. But the main thing was he didn't want to have Cactus Jack. So like he's like, you gotta do this whole thing. And mankind was. He's like. Mick Foley was like, all right, I'll do Mankind and I'll make it about, you know, this sort of thing. And the. The. The Jigglypuff music is actually based on Tori Amos because Mick Foley is a huge Tori Amos fan. [00:23:40] Speaker A: I love that. That makes me so happy as hell. Like that's cool. Obviously non derogatory. Yeah, I love it. [00:23:46] Speaker B: But no, like the. In like before, he's talked about like before his big matches to get picked up. Like before he got thrown off the cell. He's listening to Tori Amos to get back to get like hyped up. Like, Mick is a. Is a special dude. I'm so happy that him and Dustin seem to be like pretty much good because they're like two of my biggest. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Right. Also, shout out to this Smells Like Teen Spirit cover by Tori Amos. It's so pretty. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah, right? It must be. [00:24:14] Speaker A: I think my favorite song by her is a sort of fairy tale. Like that song's so pretty. Anyway, I'm gonna go topic. Sorry. [00:24:20] Speaker B: That's fine. Lawler. Jerry Lawler did something amazing. He actually made me laugh. And I hate to say it, but Bart's gets out. Lawler's like, stay out, Bart. Stay out. The Mankind immediately goes after him. He's like, get back in, Bart. Get back here. And I was like, that's almost Heenan esque. Good job. This though for me was really interesting match in that I didn't have that much urge to take play by play notes because it was all like either high spots or dramatic moments, you know. And it was really just this and we talked about before, because eventually Bart goes for an elbow, but out of nowhere, Mankind shoves his fingies in. He gets those fingies up in there, and the Tori emos hits and he closes his eyes. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah, he's just vibing, man. He's just. [00:25:02] Speaker B: He's like, swaying peacefully to the music while the crowd makes confused but excited noises. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Feel like he's paralyzing him. But also, no punch. Why no punch? [00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah, but. And then he's just like. The piano's going, and he's just being, like, peaceful and all weird. And again, like, you turn to your dad like, you're. You really don't like gay people. People. [00:25:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I did, too. I'm looking over and he's like, this is cool. He's paralyzing him with his. His. Okay, Dad. [00:25:29] Speaker B: I was like, this is. [00:25:32] Speaker A: I'm like, I hope a girl does that to me someday. But okay. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Paralyzed me, baby. Paralyze me. [00:25:37] Speaker A: So they paralyzed me and wrestle me. [00:25:39] Speaker B: They eventually clap for Bart as he wakes up and walks out. Junior is waiting for. [00:25:44] Speaker A: I love that he just wakes up and it's like, yeah, I lost. [00:25:46] Speaker B: He's like, oh, yeah. And Junior tries to. He's like, try. Bart's trying to catch his breath. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Also, imagine being the wrestler that gets told, all right, mankind's gonna. It's gonna shove his fingers in your mouth. You're gonna lose by. By. By. By finger mouth. [00:25:59] Speaker B: My fingers suck. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna lose by. Foreplay is so like, oh, God. So J.R. is like, can you please explain to us why the foreplay was so effective? And Bart's, like, so horny. And. And he's. He's just like, no, he paralyzed me. Paralyzed me with the fingies. And mankind suddenly attacks him again and puts it back on him. And, like, Lawler blames Junior. Like, of course he does. So, like, okay, wonderful. I think this is a good way, though, because, like, what they're trying to do, they're trying to add, I'm sure. At least what I'm trying. What they're trying to do is answer the question that people probably had at the time. And I know that, like, guys in the back were saying is, like, why. Why I not just bite off fingies. [00:26:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:43] Speaker B: You know. You know, like, I like. [00:26:45] Speaker A: I thought that, too. I like that they address the character development during the matches. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:50] Speaker A: I know this is kind of weird to say, but I'm going to say it. I think that shows, like, yu. Gi. [00:26:55] Speaker B: Oh. [00:26:55] Speaker A: And this is. I'm just bringing this up Because I'm watching kids shows while watching wrestling too. Yeah, you know, Pokemon and stuff. Over the years it stuck out to me and I noticed this. WrestleMania, WCW, WWF, Nitro, Raw, all that stuff. They were all better at not making inconsistent character choices in future episodes than Yu Gi. Oh, Pokemon. Like all kinds of shows. They would. It would be like the character can't do that. Even spongebob squarepants. One episode he can't lift shit, the next episode he can. But the wrestling people, they don't fuck that up. The character sheets are. They get that. [00:27:31] Speaker B: And when it's being done. Well, yeah, and back in the day, I feel like part of the reason people are like, well, back in the day it was better is because like the, the. The onus for that and it was so much on the individual wrestler in a way that wasn't really fair from a late. From a labor standpoint, you know, like, it's not. It was. Wasn't good, you know, but like people. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Could only be passionate and burn out on it, basically. They couldn't. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was a machine built to, to explain people into dust and extract all the creative and physical energy out of that person. [00:28:08] Speaker A: For I think Andre the Giant's a good example of the best example what wrestling was doing back then. Like, yeah, it gave us Andre, but. [00:28:15] Speaker B: It also took Andre and what Vince, what Vince Jr. Specifically did to Andre, like, that's the earthy too, is it wasn't. It always had aspects of this, but Vince was like the Bezos where he's like, I see your capitalism and I would like to raise you a more systemic, brutal version of this where we can really pump up the numbers of lives, we destroy it, you know, like. And we'll take the company public. [00:28:43] Speaker A: Obviously, I'm not removing the blame from Vince at all. But I just want to say, side note, I hate that we live in a society that only lets people like Vince build things instead of Bezos. You can't build things in capitalism. Hardly. I mean, you try. I'm just saying you can't be the biggest about being the evil is. And it sucks that the biggest can't be the purest and the like the most good. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Like. No, he, he. Absolutely. And that's the thing. It's like. It's not. I'm not handing it to him when I say it. He won. You know, the. We're watching the Monday Night Wars. He won. He ate their entire lunch and then their wives about it literally sometimes on tv. [00:29:23] Speaker A: Oh my God. Yeah, I like, I Like, I liked the. His in terms of, like, the history between Ted Turner and Vince. I like that, like, that network was calling up. The network is calling up Vince and be like, you can't do that. And then they would just do it anyway. They were just like, nah. [00:29:37] Speaker B: No, I'm really happy we got past that, though. That was. [00:29:41] Speaker A: I am too. I just think as a kid, I thought it was so funny. Like, they're just attacking the other TV channel. What? [00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Well, I meant specifically the Billionaire Ted sketches. Oh, God. Yeah. [00:29:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:52] Speaker B: That was three rough months, you know, I'm happy. Holy. You're like, Vince, you're not a sketch show. Like this. Don't stop. [00:30:01] Speaker A: He was trying to be like snl. [00:30:02] Speaker B: And it's like, no, dude, you're not snl. You're here for mankind to shove fingies. So, like, they. [00:30:09] Speaker A: You're not snl. You're here to mankind to shove fingers. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Come on, mankind. Shove fingies. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Come on, man. [00:30:14] Speaker B: He's your fingers. So they talk about the fingy shoves because they're trying to get the finisher over and actually, like, really like that. And that was one of those. [00:30:22] Speaker A: This is so erotic. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right? It was one of those things where, like, if. If you're a kid, you're like, that's K. And why. And I like it. [00:30:28] Speaker A: But dad, dad, dad beat me up if I. If I act weird. [00:30:31] Speaker B: But as a. As a smart mark, I'm like, oh, that's nice. They're. They're getting over the finisher. Yeah, like, you know, like that. That's smart. Yeah. So now next is. Savio Vega comes out because he has to hang out the com Terry table while his. Any enemy du jour, Steven Austin has a match. And I was like, all right, cool. I like this arc. I hate how they always do this, though, where you'll have the guy come out to commentary table to like, distract from the match. And, like, I get why you're doing it, but come on. And I'm like, all right, they're feeding. They're feeding. Stephen a jobber. This is. Okay. It's a lovely purple singlet number that was like half sort of saved by the bell pattern, you know? Good stuff. Yeah, I. You'll notice I end up talking a lot about wrestlers gear because I'm gay and I can't. [00:31:17] Speaker A: That's cool. No, no, I think that's cool. Yeah, I think it's cool. It's their. It's their armor. It's their. It's their armor and their costume. [00:31:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's always in my notes. I'm like, all right, someone will wear something where I'm like, oh God, I have to talk about this. That jobber is Scott Taylor, who my fellow old wrestling fans will know is Scotty Too hottie. He will eventually get over by doing the worm. Truly a golden age of wrestling we got coming up. But first, Austin is going to beat his ass while staring down Savio the whole time. Yeah, yeah, dude. [00:31:51] Speaker A: He was doing the move from Blade Glory, the. The battle. I was like, what if his head falls off? I was like, that's straight up from Blades of Glory. And that made me go. Wrestling is so gay. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Right? But the energy of this is pretty amazing. Austin is like this ringmaster. He's more stone cold style, like just beating him. [00:32:12] Speaker A: My notes here say, my dad had these same moves when I was six years old. [00:32:16] Speaker B: Oh God, me, me. [00:32:22] Speaker A: And then my notes in parentheses say, my cats also do this at night. For sure. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Did your dad like Austin pull out a Claudio style big swing on Scotty like that? [00:32:32] Speaker A: Basically. [00:32:33] Speaker B: Basically. That was. It was wild. [00:32:35] Speaker A: He was a cool guy. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's a cool guy. It was really cool Seeing Austin do a big swing though. That was great. Meanwhile Lawler. It was. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:42] Speaker B: Lawler is just being so racist towards Savio. If for like it. It's like a whole bit. He calls him bur breath things of this nature. Yeah. Meanwhile, Savio is holding a leather belt that he wants as a stipulation in a match against Stephen. And I'm like, Lawler, I'd shut the up if I were you. They almost go to blows over it like every racist outburst though. And then Vince just goes like, no, no, no, no. Wrestling time. Guys, calm down. We are here for the grabs. Which is like the first time that Vince has ever had this mentality. Gets them to pay more to the attention like the match and act like it never happened. It was just a very weird like, why did you have to go there longer? Like really? You got. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Sometimes Dragon Ball Z and wrestling have weird side tangents in the fight where it's like just, just fight. You don't have to. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah, do that. [00:33:32] Speaker A: That's weird. Why are you telling Frieza that? Don't tell Frieza that. [00:33:35] Speaker B: This doesn't have to be three episodes. Frieza has some really weird eugenicist beliefs. [00:33:40] Speaker A: It turns out he really just whoop his ass. Go. Don't. Don't let him finish talking. Vegeta does too. Anyway, sorry, side tangent. [00:33:48] Speaker B: That's fine. You Could. You should go. You should go on most important election your lives and talk about Dragon Ball. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Z. Dragon Ball Z is so gay. But also so serious. [00:33:59] Speaker B: Oh, so serious. Again, that's another. That was another. At the time I was watching wrestling. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. So this all mixed together and it makes all of this. [00:34:08] Speaker A: So much of my friends that I had to have at the time, like, wouldn't pretend to be a boy. Like hanging out with boys was like. It was just like when we'd be in the playground, it was just people beating the shit out of each other because. Yeah, this is what happened to wrestling last night. [00:34:22] Speaker B: Check this out. I totally. They're like, don't try this at home. We tried this. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Immediately we're like, back that clip up. I'm doing it too. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I want to see how he does it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:34:32] Speaker A: Okay, cool. I'm gonna jump off the couch on top of you. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Right, Speed. Speaking of holds that I might have had a sibling in at one time. Stephen Austin gets Scotty asleep with the. The million dollar Savio wastes no time getting away from Vincent Lawler, which is normal to me. It like grabs a mic to officially throw the strap match gauntlet down. That's good. I'm looking forward to that match so hard. Folks, join the patreon for the watch party. It's. It's so good. This man. I know this is one of. I. We're getting to the era where I started watching like regularly. So. I know. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker B: So like the show started. I started watching maybe a little over a little under a year after Nitro started. So. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I think we probably were watching around the same time. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Probably. It sounds like. [00:35:22] Speaker A: I think I started watching probably most heavily from like 1997 to like 2000, 2000. 2001. Probably somewhere in there. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Yeah. No, no. We literally had the same chunk and. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Then I was aware of it and watching it a little bit after that. But like 97, 2001, I was like very, very fixated. Knew it was happening. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Exactly save. And then I took 20 years off and then covet happened and now I know too much about wrestling and I watch hours and hours and hours of it. [00:35:48] Speaker A: A week is extremely interesting. Honestly. I like. I like learning about why things happen off the show too. And just it's. It's. Oh yeah, it's very fascinating. So I wish that was as deep and as in depth as wrestling, but it's not. Sports is so boring. Like, I mean like football and stuff. I'm like that way he goes out there and plays football and that's it. [00:36:09] Speaker B: No, it's more fun when you can add a script element. [00:36:11] Speaker A: There needs to be a storyline. Yeah, you make their storyline. Players beat the. Out of each other because of a disagreement over some. Like, let it happen. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Well, I feel like sometimes it happens. I don't know. I'm looking. I'm looking forward to it, though, because I know this match coming up, and I'm like, this is. It's gonna be a banger, folks. We come back from commercial to cornet and Bulldog and his wife, Diana Hart Smith. And this. Vince asked Sean to come out, and I'm like, oh, God. All right, we got. We got a Mankind match, and now we're doing this. Okay, so Lawler calls HBK a skirt chaser, which is like the pot calling the kettle a registered sex offender, I thought. Yeah, yeah. Like, really, dude? [00:36:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Really? [00:36:51] Speaker A: You're gonna call him that? [00:36:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, Jan. So Sean is still in his Gold Ranger gear. I'm into it, I guess. We're having, like, kitchen table polyamory in the ring as we get to the bottom of this alleged cuckoldry. So first, Sean loudly and dramatically recaps the last month of his life, much to the applause from the crowd. I never thought I'd be happy to hear from Corny, though, because thankfully, like, Cornet cuts him off. He says, why are you trying to sleep with this man's wife? Right? Just your. You're talking about wrestling. I want to talk about the. And he proceeds to show us, like, a Zapruder film of the night before. Someone show escorting Diana out of the audience to take her in the back to be propositioned by Sean. What did you, like, What. When did you guys come up with this? Like, what the. This feels like the writer parentheses Vince's vaguely hidden fantasy. [00:37:46] Speaker A: There's a lot of things that would happen where it's like this. He was. He just jacking off last night. Like, that'd be cool. I'll put that. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Oh, this is a great idea. Yeah, it's so up. Corny really lays at home that Sean is lecherous and that Diana is a saint. So all this is all so gross because Vince has absolutely already been dodging allegations at this point, like, in real life. [00:38:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's true. A lot of this stuff reads differently after the. [00:38:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so it's like he's trying to say, like, the woman's lying about it and all this, and it's like, dude, you, like, are dodging lawsuits. Right now, as you're putting this on tv, he's darvo. Ing the American. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the word. I couldn't think of the word. [00:38:24] Speaker B: Yeah, like, he's doing Darbo on the American public. [00:38:27] Speaker A: It's crazy. [00:38:28] Speaker B: That's Vince's whole thing. Like, I. Oh, my God. [00:38:32] Speaker A: He does. He. He. He made it so that, like, allegations that come out and people would. People that don't want to believe them would just be like, no, that's just. They made. They took that from the show, and it's like, no, he took that from life. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Yeah, he blended it all together on purpose. So finally they do what should have been known this whole time, and they asked the woman about it. So they're like, diane, it took them a while. Yeah, it took him a long while. So she starts with Sean. Sean, I know that you want me. And she says it with all the excitement of someone that does not want to be there. The crowd boos, and this feels just mean. [00:39:11] Speaker A: My notes here say, it must have been really fun being a woman in wrestling at this time. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Holy. To be like the wife of a wrestler and be like, you're. I need you in on this. Yeah. [00:39:21] Speaker A: I need you to be in a skit. My homie's gonna want to you. And I'm gonna say some really weird stuff in defense of you where it's like, you're my property. Okay. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Crap, crap, crap, crap. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Everyone's gonna see it on tv, too. It'll be cool. Also, it's gonna be part of wrestling lore forever. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And me and Jim Neidhart are just gonna go do some crack about it. So Sean says, don't flatter yourself. And Diana slaps the out of him. Rightfully so. Sean responds with a shitty sexist remark of, we know who wears the pants of the Smith family. And that's Davey's activation switch. Is that you're pulling the man card. Must employ violence. [00:39:57] Speaker A: Must fight. [00:39:58] Speaker B: Must employ violence. Must fight. So we go to commercial with a pull apart brawl. And then next up, new rockers coming out as Sean is going back, which I think is very funny. [00:40:08] Speaker A: Also during this commercial break, like when they come back, I forgot his name, but the commentary guy, that's not named Vince McMahon. [00:40:15] Speaker B: Jerry the King Lawler. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah, he was doing the commercial coming back, and it was for Eminem's. And he went, eminem's, the candy that melts in your hand. I mean, your mouth. And I was just laughing at that. [00:40:26] Speaker B: That. Yeah, no, he. He occasionally gets those, like, Hi. [00:40:30] Speaker A: Getting the commercial that wrong was funny to me. [00:40:32] Speaker B: They've. They've done it more than once. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Just the complete disregard for the advertiser is very funny to me. Anyway, back to our show. We don't care. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:40] Speaker A: Them. [00:40:40] Speaker B: Right. We got the new rockers. Yeah. Wrestling. Yeah. Welcome, everyone. It's like they make Sean go past his old partner who he betrayed, who's coming out with the new guy. So, like, Marty Jannetti will continue to try to rear the young Alfred Snow in the ways of Team Tassels, this time against the Godwins, Pig and Hog, and then Hillbilly Jim and Old Blue. And they have piglets. And I was like, moments like this, I hate being Izzy Mark. Easy Mark is piggies, like the Goblins, but they got a little piggy. [00:41:12] Speaker A: I was happy about that, too. I wrote piggies with lots of exclamation points. And then I was hoping they wouldn't scare them. But they kind of do scare them a little bit. [00:41:18] Speaker B: They do, because one of them is not having it. He just, like, lays down there and he's like, this. This is scary. Everything's loud. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Also, you. My notes here say, is that the lady in charge of the Department of Education. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Oh, which one? [00:41:30] Speaker A: Linda McMahon. Is that. Is that the department of. That lady. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Linda McMahon is Vince's wife. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Okay. What a fun reality we live in. We're the. The wrestling. [00:41:39] Speaker B: That's fun again. When I started the show, the. The hope was to try to not focus on all the awfulness of it. Oh, right. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Whoops. Sorry. [00:41:50] Speaker B: No. It quickly became like, so every show is going to be how Vince McMahon should be. You know, Like, I just. God damn it. This is the life we lived in. So, yes, that. That piggy, much like me, was not, right now, not having a good time. It's scared. Those guys smell bad, even for the piggies. Take me back to the barn. [00:42:12] Speaker A: I like the farmers, though. That was cool. I liked as a kid. And now I like being like, oh, cool. We just have farmers running around in stage. That's cool. [00:42:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And that's the thing. I love the Goblins as an idea. I just hate the way that they are put across. And it is often like. Like before this, it was against Hunter Hearst Helmsley, the rich guy, and it was like, clear class warfare going on. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: But the graps begin. Let's immediately go to Sunny in the back because it's not about the wrestling holding the titles involving her exceptionally shiny in the booble region. Like, all this is. We're. We're getting to the. Here's Sunny. Let's look at her tits era. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's what they do. [00:42:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. She basically lets us know this match is going to end with some involving her coming out to mess with the Godwins. Like, that's. It's like there's foreshadowing and then there's Vince telling us what he's about to do. As far as the grabs go, this match is. It's pretty all right. It's telling me that. [00:43:09] Speaker A: Not good commentary, because he says, what did I write down here? He flosses his teeth with barbed wire because he's so tired. That's good. That's good. [00:43:18] Speaker B: That was. That's good, pal. Yeah, yeah. Like, right. Yeah, right, that one. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Commentators say stuff like that. I'm like, oh, that's the juice. That's good. [00:43:24] Speaker B: That's. That adds the juice. Possible murders and various predatory behaviors aside, Marty Gianetti is really good at this. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:32] Speaker B: It's like one of those things where, like, a human being. No, wrestler, me. Like, he's actually really good. Yeah. After a while, this is all kind of just turns into both teams posing at each other. The God wins in a. Again, an oddly homoerotic mounting position. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Again, you're looking at my dad. [00:43:51] Speaker A: He says, this is tough guy behavior. Okay, look. [00:43:54] Speaker B: Looking at my dad. That's good. That's good. I kind of want to keep that. It's like. That's like the. There were signs. Every time Vince is racist or awful towards women. It's like, this is. Okay. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Like, my dad's okay. Okay. I. I can't be weird, but wrestling. Weird. Okay. [00:44:11] Speaker B: All right, cool. Writing that down. And then. Yeah. What was the Al Snow being like? Don't hold me back. Don't hold me back. While Giannetti does in no way. Him back. Yeah, good. Good stuff, guy. They get back to it immediately. And Sunny is here to cause trouble. The story being it's supposed to be. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Everything with Sunny was so frustrating. I'm about to cry. I'm trying not to cry, but very frustrating growing up, because at the time, I'm like, oh, my God, girl wrestling. That's so cool. But also, I saw how they were treating her, and it just made me so sad, you know, it kind of. It's like I'm only allowed to be in space, as if I'm a victim as a girl. [00:44:47] Speaker B: And I was kind of. It was. Was very. [00:44:48] Speaker A: And that was hard as a trans girl, too, because it was very clear. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Oh. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Coming out Will be scary because it's scary for the girls that are already. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Out, you know, like, see, And I didn't even have. I didn't. That was before I saw the Mori episode where it became a reality that you could even. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know you could do that until a few years later. And even then, I'm gonna be completely real with you. This is one reason why I talk about HRT so much. I did not know about hrt until, like, 2020. Up to that point. But, yeah, up to that point before that, I just assumed incorrectly, because they don't let people. They don't really like, let us talk about it. And that's one reason why I'm so vocal about it. Up to that point, I would see as someone that was trans and go, oh, they were able to get, like, millions of dollars in surgeries. Good for them. I didn't know you could, like, just take medicine. [00:45:35] Speaker B: No, this. This meat suit we're in is fucking programmable. [00:45:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I had no idea you could reprogram. Yeah, I thought you had to go and, like, get your bones broken and get new skin and. [00:45:45] Speaker B: No, this runs Linux. Like, and, like, so does yours. And that's why they hate us, because they don't want to think about the fact that they're also running. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Much easier to think. I have to do what I was told to do. There's no choice. Because otherwise you're admitting there's choice and you're abandoning that choice. [00:46:01] Speaker B: And then you have to think about it and you don't want to think about it. So. Yeah, I also think there's. [00:46:06] Speaker A: I don't know how many. Obviously we'll never know, but I think there's a small percentage of closeted trans girls that are like, I don't want to give up my power. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:14] Speaker A: No safety, you know? And it's like, it's worth it. Give it up. Well, that they don't. They don't want. [00:46:19] Speaker B: I mean, that's. Oh, my God. We could go completely off topic, but that's cipher in the matrix. Yeah. Yeah, that's what cipher is. Is. You know what? I. This was too scary. Put me back in the closet. I want to. [00:46:34] Speaker A: Right? [00:46:36] Speaker B: Or I need to pass. I need to be stealth. I need to be so stealth that people don't basically. Cypher is Brianna Wu. I need to be so stealth that I can lie about it for 20 years while throwing everyone else under the bus. [00:46:49] Speaker A: And it's like, it would be so much easier, healthier, and safer. To just shut the up and to. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Quote the Matrix, you know, say what you want, Brianne, you're still gonna burn like Cypher. It's like, dude, you're still gonna burn. Well, they don't care. They don't care. You. We are all just faggots to them. [00:47:07] Speaker A: Hitler threw his gay generals in jail when he was done using them. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah. When it's all said and done, we are just so, like, please join the rest of us and stop being so weird. [00:47:16] Speaker A: It's like, why do you think they call us? It's because they want to throw us in a pile and burn. [00:47:20] Speaker B: That's where that comes from. We are bundles of sticks. Fascists, too. It will never not please me. That and fascists have the same root word for the same reason. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Oh, can you explain this to me? I love etymology. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Oh, a fascist. Well, faggot is a bundle of sticks. Right? [00:47:37] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Well, fascism, when, like, behind the Bastards you talked about did the. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yes, I love behind the Bastards episodes. [00:47:45] Speaker B: Many episodes about where it comes from, but one of the original symbols of it was a bundle of sticks to symbolize that we are stronger together as a fascist force of authority. That's why early anti fascism, you'll see the breaking of the bundle of sticks is a symbol of early anti fascism. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Those fascists are just sticks that we can break. [00:48:10] Speaker B: Yeah. They think they're stronger together that we can. We also can get together and break. [00:48:15] Speaker A: Yes. Okay, that's cool. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So, yeah, so like that. I love that human beings are so cool. [00:48:23] Speaker A: I wish that we would all be like, I'm gonna be cool and real instead of, like, I think I'm gonna be evil instead of healing again. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Programmable meat suit. Yeah. And we make wrestling. And wrestling is better than the thing you like. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Every person that I talk to about, which I've probably talked to a few hundred people that, like, come to me and they're like, I'm going to transition. Can you talk to me? Every person I talk to, I always am upfront with them. And I tell them that first year, if you transition correctly is really brutal. Because you have to ask yourself, why did I do this? Was that real or was that for safety? And you have to undo all that. Otherwise, if you don't interrogate all that thinking, you're just masking again. You're just being a different. And why would you be trans and fake? That's just being fake with extra steps and you're just putting yourself at risk. Like, just keep being. Don't transition. Like, I tell them don't transition to a fake person again. You already did that. [00:49:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. The whole point of taking that leap of faith was, John, you have to. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Jump all the way. Do not do any of it. It fake. [00:49:22] Speaker B: The whole, the whole point was that the, the possible death at the end was better than continuing to live the lie. Right. Yeah. [00:49:29] Speaker A: And everyone that tells me like, oh, I'm still selling at my job, I'm like, you gotta stop doing that, though. You have. I know, I know it's hard, but you have to stop because it's not good for you. It's like in, in the, like a psychological cancer that you're holding on to. You just have to throw. [00:49:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that the best thing we can do is just suppose support them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:51] Speaker A: And to be clear, people that are doing that, I'm not trying to, like, tell you how to live your life. I'm just saying it's like my, my, my therapeutic psychological advice. I understand. I don't know your situation. And you might be like, I have to right now. I get it. It's just. [00:50:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:04] Speaker A: I'm talking from like a standpoint of health. [00:50:06] Speaker B: Like, saying is, that's, what I'm saying is like, that's the best thing you can do to help in that health because it's not good for them is because they, if they have to continue to do this thing that is hurting them, the best you can do is, Is. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Is I'm here for you. Yeah, yeah. [00:50:20] Speaker B: To help them. [00:50:22] Speaker A: People that are public. I'm just going to say public figures. I'm not going to say, like, what they do, but, like, their, their life is. And their work is, like, public and they're still stealthing and like, they're creating content that is going out into the world. And like, I check in with them a lot and I'm like, hey, I'm here for. I know that's hard. I'm here for you. You know, I know that's hard to do, to be transitioning behind the scenes. I couldn't do it. It's just too hard. [00:50:48] Speaker B: Yeah. God, when Abigail Thornton finally came out. [00:50:50] Speaker A: And then like, I was so happy when she did. I was so, like, yay. [00:50:55] Speaker B: A year later, I, I, I, I wasn't, I loved philosophy too, but I, and I, but I hadn't started listening to, like, kill James Bond yet, which is what really made me love Abby. So, like, I wasn't fully aware of the whole thing. So like, a year later, I finally watched the coming out video, which Was about a year and a half after I finally came out to my partner. [00:51:17] Speaker A: When is this, like, time frame? I'm just trying. [00:51:19] Speaker B: Oh, God. This was probably like a year ago that I watched it, so. Yeah. I forget when she came out, but, like, the. Her. [00:51:26] Speaker A: The philosophy. Yeah. For you. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, the. The philosophy tube. Oh, it's probably closer to at this point. God, I've been out for a while now. [00:51:35] Speaker A: Holy. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Time's different. Time works different. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Someone talks to me like, oh, it's dragging. I'm like, girl, I thought the same thing. And then one day it was like, oh, it's been three years. What? Like, it just. [00:51:44] Speaker B: I don't. I can't even even. Like, I can't even. [00:51:46] Speaker A: It's like, don't think about the. Don't think about how many steps you're taking. Look at where you're going, you know? Yeah. [00:51:52] Speaker B: And that's kind of why I can't even, like, process how many years it's been, because it's like, I don't even think about that anymore. It's like that switch. [00:51:59] Speaker A: Yeah. There was a time trying to do. Every single month on the 21st, I would celebrate and say, one more month. Because my. My HRT day was on the 21st of the month. And then one day, I just was like, oh, I haven't celebrated the 21st in a few months. Yeah, you just kind of forget and you're living your life, and that's the way to do it. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, God. Again, we're doing gender show wrestling. [00:52:19] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Sure. [00:52:20] Speaker A: Sure enough, you and me will start a gender podcast, and we'll go on wrestling tangents. [00:52:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. There you go. That's all right. But sure enough, Sunny does come out. Now we're back to wrestling, folks. Where were we? Sunny. Sunny is threatening the Godwins and the audience with her tits. And that's what feelings. [00:52:38] Speaker A: Growing up. Because I wanted to see them. [00:52:40] Speaker B: But yeah, no, I'm like, that's what started this tangent is feeling bad about Sunny and feeling confused about Sunny because I did, too. I had a huge crush on Sunny, and I wanted to be Sable slash China, you know? Like, that was that. [00:52:53] Speaker A: But also, no one else gets to look at her boobs because they're being mean to her. [00:52:57] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But also, like, you're. I don't like how Jerry talks about Sunny. Like, I love Sunny, and, yes, I love her boobs, but don't be like that. But I'm eight. I don't know how to process this. [00:53:08] Speaker A: It's like that when you're. It's like that when you're. When you're. When you're dating someone pre transition, too. I was with my wife for 12 years pre transition. I had guilt the entire time. Just because you feel bad for being a. Your brain is like, you're not supposed to objectify women. You're like, I'm not. I just think women are great. Like, it's like, not. [00:53:25] Speaker B: I'm just gay. Yeah. But sure enough, she comes out, she distracts Phineas, because that's the whole thing, is that Phineas is, like, distracted by her beauty because he's a, like, simple guy. It's so awful, but the crowd loves it. It's so bad. It works. We get a double count out because of the. And, like, it's. This was a low point of the. Of the show for me. No amount of Marty Jannetti work rate was going to save this show of a segment. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Sometimes the wrestling ring in this show is like a gladiator pit. And, like, the American people are marginalized. Groups of people are, like, being, like, used as fodder. And it's like, the king, Vince, and, like, the audience are just laughing, and it's like, y'all. Like, they're making fun of you right now. Like, that's weir. [00:54:06] Speaker B: Is you, like, yeah. Like, this is. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Okay. You, like, you're clapping okay. Yeah. Deeply uncomfortable. [00:54:11] Speaker B: They're obifying you, too. Yeah. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:14] Speaker B: That's why they call you Marks. But next, Junior interviews mankind, asking him to explain the mandible claw maneuver. And I was like, yeah, let's get weird with it, you know, there. And he. He does. He's like, you know, There are over 740 pressure points in the human body. And. And, like, he's like. During the course of an isolated adolescence, I explored them all. And I'm like, yeah, this twisted where the flesh is weak and the nerves run deep. And I'm like, oh, yeah. And he, like, tells us he's so up, and he tells us, like, very real, like, presentation of how pressure points work in a way, while making it sound like poetry. I. I love this man. Junior asks about, like, taker and if he's scared of retribution. And mankind's like, no, I want to destroy him. Have a nice day. Good. I'm so good with this. More mankind to come. We come back to grabs, and somehow, some way, Isaac Income, DDS has returned. I truly thought we were done with this iteration of Marcane, but no. The dental drill sounds are back, and they're loud as but almost like he heard my prayers for Maricane DDS's Remi demise. Here comes ultimate jackass. Like, Warrior's gonna come bury this guy. And I want to believe that this is like Vince's way of saying, we are burying this gimmick. We are gonna come like. Like actually have Warrior bury you. But he runs out and he does a lap around the ring and that was weird. [00:55:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:50] Speaker B: Back again. I don't know. Vincent Lawler and everyone watching you and me were as well, are confused. He comes back and I can't think of any reason why he did this other than that's He's. He's. He runs on cocaine. And Duncan, like, yeah, you know what? [00:56:06] Speaker A: You're right. He probably just did that. And then Vincent like, well, that was weird. Back to the show. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Everyone's losing their though because it's Warrior. And he's like. And that's why he did is because he can do. And he's. He's the gimmick version of Trump saying he could shoot someone and get away with it. [00:56:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:56:21] Speaker B: Like. Like I could literally just go out here and make snort noises and say things that don't make any sense and run in the back for some reason and the people are gonna love it. So he does it because he can. [00:56:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:31] Speaker B: You know, when you're Warrior, they let you. Let you do. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Let you do it. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:34] Speaker A: They let you get away with it. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Jesus. Lawler kid. Yeah. I grab them by writing down possible title name. Grab by the cocaine. I know, I. I couldn't. I didn't put in the title last week. I backed down from it. I should have. I should have stopped. I just. I wanted to. But no. All right. That's a whole other. Other thing. But yes, he comes out, he does a lap, he goes back again. Vincent Lawler don't know what to do. It's Warrior. So he. Lawler gives you income advice while he's like doing his thing. He's like this guy's biggest muscles between his ears. And I'm like, that's not. That's not true. Yeah, that's true of some wrestlers. Dean Malenko, you know, like. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that's not true for the Warrior, though. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Not Warrior. Warrior is stero and insecure masculinity warriors. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Like Animal from the Muppets. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Yeah, kind of like. But less clear coded. Yeah, yeah. And less queer coded. Animal. [00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:37] Speaker B: Animal from the. The Muppets gives me non binary trans mask vibes. [00:57:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:42] Speaker B: With cocaine. Warrior just sucks. [00:57:45] Speaker A: I know for a fact that the Warrior's pronouns are cocaine. [00:57:48] Speaker B: Yes. Warriors. Pronouns are warrior. [00:57:52] Speaker A: Warrior. Yeah. [00:57:54] Speaker B: So this match happens. It's a warrior match, which means it's just Warrior getting his in, which isn't a whole lot. [00:57:59] Speaker A: I didn't really like him that much growing up, but I, I. There was no Internet, and I couldn't really talk to everybody, so I don't know if that's what look popular opinion, but when I was. When I was little, I thought he was like an industry plant. I didn't have that word for it, but, like, he just kind of felt like a boring, you know, like, oh, Vince's friend. Like, you know, Vince's guy. Like, Vince likes him. Like, it just kind of felt like. [00:58:20] Speaker B: I didn't pick up on that when I was age. [00:58:22] Speaker A: It felt like they wanted me to like him kind of, kind of vibe, you know, Ye. [00:58:26] Speaker B: And that. That is absolutely what was going on. I did pick up on that because I was eight. I did. I think I just didn't like him because he was boring. [00:58:33] Speaker A: Yeah, well, he didn't do anything. He just kind of yelled and made noise and hit people. Like, my dad does that already. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Yeah, your dad is the, Is the, the reoccurring hero of this show. So we come back, right? But yeah, no, it's Warrior. He doesn't do much. We come back from commercial, which I can't believe this match lasted long enough to go to commercial. Vince, can we just pause for a. [00:58:55] Speaker A: Second and enjoy the fact that we live in a society where they could be like, you should buy M M's. And then people beat the out of each other. And then it goes back to, you should buy M M's. Like, that's pretty cool. [00:59:05] Speaker B: That's pretty. All right. [00:59:06] Speaker A: Buy stuff. Violence. [00:59:08] Speaker B: M M's. We like theater kids that do violence. But we come back and Vince tells us that Yankee got a bunch of offense in that we didn't see. I don't believe him. I find that unlikely. Warrior finishes this. He gets. He finishes getting his in for the three. Is what I wrote down. Like, I'm not good. I'm not writing down the moves he did because it was mostly running and I think a splash. [00:59:33] Speaker A: Like, it's like the Warrior had, like, a fit and then thrashed everywhere and. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Then won and landed on him for the three. Yeah. So Lawler tries to interview Bandicoot. [00:59:43] Speaker A: He's just kind of like spinning around and jumping on people moves. He just kind of. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Yeah, really? Lawler tries to interview Yankum after the match, and he just bolts instead, which. [00:59:56] Speaker A: Like, I like when they run out of the room. Yeah, that's funny. [00:59:59] Speaker B: I. I wouldn't want to talk to Jerry either. And, like. And I'm sure Jacob was just like, well, that sucked. No one in. No one enjoys wrestling Ultimate Warrior. And turns out that was a main event. Like Warrior in Warrior's first Raw appearance. [01:00:14] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:00:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that was weird. And that was basically Raw. That's. [01:00:20] Speaker A: I didn't know that was his first appearance. That's so funny. [01:00:22] Speaker B: Yeah. In, like, Raw, just, like, that ends on kind of a wet fart. And it was like, okay, cool. [01:00:29] Speaker A: I know that Nitro is not considered, like, as cool as Raw, but I think this. I think this was during the time period where I was, like, feeling guilty about kind of thinking Nitro was doing more, like when I was a kid. But, like, it just felt like they were doing. Doing more, you know? [01:00:45] Speaker B: And I didn't. I came into that. That versus later, and I was always a WWE girl, and I. I don't know. I didn't watch much Nitro, but, yeah, it didn't necessarily seem cool to me. It felt more like. [01:00:59] Speaker A: I think if I didn't have adults that were watching anyway, I probably wouldn't have been aware of it, you know, but I had adults that were like, oh, we're watching this too, you know? [01:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I. I would. Became aware of it because I caught it trying. Channel flipping. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Trying, Right? And you're like, oh, other wrestling. [01:01:13] Speaker B: Okay, Hulk Hogan's here. Yeah, that guy. [01:01:16] Speaker A: This is weird. And I was like, okay. And also, it felt like. It felt like night, not night. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:21] Speaker A: I felt like Nitro had more money and for cooler costumes, and I was like, okay, I like the costumes. That's cool. [01:01:27] Speaker B: Oh, I can't wait to. All right, I'm happy we're getting into Nitro, speaking of costumes, because, like, we are getting into folks. Oh, it's 1996, and we are getting into an era. Hello, outside. Hello, Park Bench. Hello, everyone in the GOC Hendricks viewing area. And hello, sickos. I stole this phone. On my way out, I overheard the lab coat girlies say, these are company burners. Untraceable for security reasons. I hope this means I can keep broadcasting. Let you know about patreon.comffpod where only $5 a month gets you access to bonus content. And starting now for $7.50 old. Go, Hendricks. I'll read your name out on the show. As far as I go, I. I think I managed to lose my tail, but I just need to head out on that. That Queer journey to find my chosen family. Where the hell am I anyways? Is this the usa? Excuse me. Excuse me, ma'am. You know how to get to Bad Street? [01:02:32] Speaker A: My notes start off though with saying, because of acab, I only know Sting from wcw. I do not know the other one. [01:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good way to start. [01:02:42] Speaker A: Talking about actually from, from. For most of my 20s, whenever anyone would talk about seeing, I would. I would assume everyone. I don't. I'm serious. I would go, do you mean the wrestler or the singer? And they would be like the. The singer or the wrestler? Like, I just never knew what they were talking about. I don't know for a while. [01:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm like, no, no, no, no. I mean, I would be cool if you could play bass. I don't know. Steve Borden. Steve Borden. Can you play bass? Tell me. [01:03:05] Speaker A: The Undertaker and Sting starting a punk band. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say Markel. Hey, get him. I'm bouncing him out of my band, but yes. Nitro. Exploding cities. Exploding pyro. Let's go. Eric Bischoff's in a T shirt. I don't like it. Yeah, that seemed wrong. But Pepe, however, seems to be dressed like Macho man with Batman fabric. And I am so here. [01:03:30] Speaker A: Yeah, the costume department has a way bigger budget for Nitro. [01:03:34] Speaker B: They have a. They have a bigger budget for Pepe. They spend more money on Pepe than they do on their wrestlers. Giant Flair doing a belt for the belt tonight. That's cool. But most importantly, one of my favorite Nitro matches of all time happens on this show. For AEW fans, you will be familiar with the Parking Lot Brawl. The best friends have brought it back in a big way. Excuse me. Holy crap. We get one tonight. We're getting a pocket parking Lot Brawl with Fit Finley, the Belfast Bruiser and Regal. Again, some folks, I. I don't know the, the range of listenership as far as who knows this stuff and who doesn't. I don't know. So that's why some. I apologize for folks who know this and I over explain it. You. You know what this is. This, this match is a big deal and these two are fun to watch. Like first, I guess chronologically, Harlem Heat gets kind of a pop. They come out and that's. Yeah, we'll. We'll get to the parking lot brawl. I'm too excited. But this is a big match. [01:04:40] Speaker A: They just are. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Right, right. We'll get to it, but I'm too excited about it. I'm getting ahead of myself. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Harlem. [01:04:46] Speaker B: He comes out, they get a bit of a pop. It's good. It's awesome. And surprising because, like, they're fighting Sting. It's Sting. And then I guess Luger's here. But Sting has his crowd so pumped that they're even high fiving Lex, even though he's doing his like. Like, I'm a heel partner thing. That's. [01:05:06] Speaker A: They're just happy having fun. Really. [01:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Which normally for a couple weeks ago, they would literally cheer for Sting and then he would move past and then they would all start booing for Luger right behind him. This is awesome. Cool. So he's. They're coming, backing around. Some dudes ruined a bed sheet with paint to make a nitro sign. And I appreciate that. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Wrestling leads to arts and crafts. [01:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, no, Arts and crafts is. Is good. That. [01:05:33] Speaker A: That is also a kid holding a sign. That's like, all I want for my birthday is to go to nitro or something. And I was like, hell, yeah. Hell yeah. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. No, and Wrestle sky keeps this. It shows that this is still a thing. The Wrestle sky. [01:05:46] Speaker A: The original posting before Internet posting. Wrestling, man. [01:05:51] Speaker B: That's what I'm. That was the beginning, you know, my brain so hard. I've literally said that before on this podcast. Like, this is the origins of posting. [01:06:00] Speaker A: It's just like, oh, that guy. What's he. What's he holding up in his hands? Oh, Final Fantasy 9 is my favorite. Hell yeah. [01:06:05] Speaker B: Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remake it. So like. [01:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:07] Speaker B: No, Wrestle sky is keeping this tradition alive because they have made some of the all time great signs for. Aw shows. It's awesome. This match itself, it ought to. I must note, Sting still doesn't know what he wants to do about his hair. He kind of sort of like half bleached just the top because he. The whole thing is he stopped bleaching it because he was losing his hair from. From it. [01:06:27] Speaker A: So. [01:06:28] Speaker B: And he went full brown. But he's looking at. And he's like, the brown is no good, my guys. So now he came out and he just did like a. A highlighting away from the roots. [01:06:39] Speaker A: He's just like sticking his head in the bath of a bleach probably to bleach his hair. [01:06:42] Speaker B: He was. They weren't doing it the right way. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:46] Speaker B: You know, like. Like these. I don't know. [01:06:48] Speaker A: I'm like, I know plenty of, like, other girls that bleach their hair, that they don't lose their hair. [01:06:53] Speaker B: So. Yeah. [01:06:53] Speaker A: What was he doing? [01:06:54] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Well. Well, I'm guessing the. The oh, who knows? Yeah. [01:06:59] Speaker A: Yeah. He should have asked someone for help is what. Is what it was. [01:07:02] Speaker B: I'll. I'll say this. I'm wearing this nice gender affirming hat because I too bleached my hair too much and I have a six head. So I get it, Sting. I get it. Eventually he will figure this out by going goth, you know, like a lot of us do. And he's. [01:07:16] Speaker A: There you go. [01:07:17] Speaker B: It. It's black now, you know. Yeah, I saw the crow. Let's go. [01:07:21] Speaker A: So was like, all right, cool. Let's go, Crow. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Give me Sting. Crow. And I feel you, Stinger. Yeah. But my absolutely womanly five head feels you. [01:07:29] Speaker A: So that was his. His. His coolest outfit, though, was the crow one. [01:07:33] Speaker B: It was like, there's a reason. That's what stuck. We. We start with stinging Booker as far as the graphs go. And Booker reminds me right away why he's a hall of famer. The kicks are unreal. Stinger says, okay, but like, me too, though. And he hits him really hard with a shoulder block and sends him spinning. And like, that became kind of the sum of my notes for this is just this match cooks. Everyone is hitting really hard. They like, holy. If they aren't actually hitting, they're really making it look like it because the intensity is something else. Like, we come back from commercial breaks. Sting is continuing out there. Like, he's getting like double teamed and rocked. [01:08:13] Speaker A: I feel like a lot of people forget about the difference in like TV definition too. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Because there's a lot of punches where it's like, well, now it's easy to tell that was fake, but when you're watching back then, it was like, oh, he's getting the beat out of him. [01:08:24] Speaker B: It's hard. I've heard wrestlers talk about, like, it's harder to throw a good worked punch now because of hd. [01:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:32] Speaker B: Like, a lot of the reasons that people, like, people will like, ah, it looks fake nowadays. I'm like, that's high definition. Like, it always looks. [01:08:40] Speaker A: Yeah. With the team. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Ruined it. [01:08:42] Speaker B: That just tells me you've never been to a show and like sat close up at a show, right? Yeah, and I haven't been to a lot of them, but I got to go to one one last summer for the first time in like over a decade, and it was so good. But you could absolutely tell, like, oh, he missed. He missed that one, you know, but good idea. It was. Yeah. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Still a really cool performance though, right? [01:09:04] Speaker B: I got to watch a guy, I got to watch a luchador dressed As a possum. Literally play dead. [01:09:09] Speaker A: Oh, that's cool. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And then snuck up the. The small package out of it. It was really the. [01:09:13] Speaker A: See, my dad thought that was really, like, manly and cool, and I would have looked over and been like, nope, you're still homophobic. Okay. Okay. [01:09:18] Speaker B: Really, dude? [01:09:19] Speaker A: Really? [01:09:20] Speaker B: Okay. Like, he shook his butt out. Okay. All right. Yeah. First wrestling. Love him. So, yeah, Booker continues to get his kicking people's heads off. He gives us a little proto spinner rooney. I'm happy about that. They've beaten almost all of Sting's makeup off at this point. I'm kind of in awe how hard this match is going. Yeah, guy. Yeah, we're beat the makeup off you again. Things that bullies have said to me after three weeks. [01:09:48] Speaker A: Things my mom and dad said to me growing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:09:51] Speaker B: After three weeks of really honestly, not great nitros and they had a by week in there, it seems they're back in the groove. And, like, I'm really happy. It's. It was rough. Like, nitros have been rough in this week. I'm like, I don't know. You could probably tell I came back from that. That very brief little break there, like, really jazz. It's not just because a childhood icon escaped from a base. That's a whole different story. But finally, Sting gets the hot tag. Our good, good hot dog man, Lex kind of comes in and actually up for a bit. The. Yeah, they. They really. They're coming back strong after a month of sucking. So not for long, though. Sting tries to come in to save. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Lex, but I want that as a bumper sticker. I'm coming back strong after a month of sucking. [01:10:37] Speaker B: After a month of sucking. Yes, that. Oh, it could have so many meaning ratings. But Lex is tr. He's trying to save Lex. But, like, Sting is. He's selling. He's doing great. He's so blown out from getting his ass kicked for this whole match up until this point that he can't really even do anything. And he ends up just getting kind of, like, thrown back out of the ring. So Lex is about to get, like, completely up, and Jimmy Hart goes to throw the towel. And this is so cool. Booker, like a boss catches it out of thin air. Like, no, that doesn't count. Matches going on this in the crowd, like, like, eats it up. Everyone seems surprised, though, even, like, the commentary, because, like, that's how good he did that little bit of. And it's. Again, that's that little bit of storytelling that sucked. Everyone in because he did such a good job that everyone was legitimately surprised when Sting snuck up and rolled him up for the win. Like that was. That's. Oh I, I, I. It's the joke of cinema. Like they, they d. Yeah, that's great. Wrestling is like they were able to. It's a slight of hand. It's like close. [01:11:44] Speaker A: The problem that Disney has been taking all of their notes for all of their comic book movies that I don't like from the military and military propaganda and Tom Cruise movies when they should have been taking all their notes from wrestling and drag. Because Marvel movies would be so much better if they were like this instead of war propaganda movies. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Much like they, they should. They, they should do what wrestling is trying to do now. Yeah. Like well back here because after the commercial they show us this new tag team of fire and ice and they're like, you know, we're not going to go to the military. We're or comic books for propaganda. We're going to go to Mortal Kombat. Oh yeah. [01:12:29] Speaker A: That's what it's all about. [01:12:30] Speaker B: Mortal Kombat. It's 1996. Everyone loves it. I'm. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Mortal Kombat is so cool. Especially back in 1996. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Arcade machines and Pizza Hut and my mom gets mad at me because I'm eight and rip a guy's spine out. You're not supposed to do that. But this is Scott Norton trying to get over being called Flash. Speaking of weird things. He said the surprise of no one at all. Like I, I get it's supposed to be a arm wrestling thing but don't you know, no one wants to be called Flash. But they're two, two beefy men in red and blue singlets and it makes them feel like Mortal Kombat characters. Basically. [01:13:06] Speaker A: Mortal Kombat. [01:13:08] Speaker B: And then they find out they are fighting the Steiners. So we're about to see so many 300 plus pound men get thrown like sacks of rice. And I'm just like instantly just. [01:13:18] Speaker A: And none of them are on testosterone at all. Don't worry about it. [01:13:21] Speaker B: No, no, none at all. [01:13:22] Speaker A: None of them are. [01:13:22] Speaker B: These guys are. None of these guys are literally doing hrt. [01:13:25] Speaker A: They just do push ups all day. [01:13:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I am also enjoying the Steiner outfits. Rick and Ice Train beat the out of each other a while and Rick is. I like, like I'm like yeah, this is good. And then I notice it. Rick's wearing Vapor Wave and his brother is rocking two tone ska. [01:13:43] Speaker A: Hell yeah. Yeah. Their outfits are good. I'M telling you, like, I like. So I prefer WWF or whatever, I think at the time. But every time Nitro came on, I was like, these outfits are so much, so good. You can tell. You can tell that Nitro has a props department and a props manager. [01:14:01] Speaker B: Well, they. [01:14:02] Speaker A: What? [01:14:03] Speaker B: They're. They're owned by Turner Broadcast, right? Exactly. [01:14:05] Speaker A: They literally have a wwf. It's just like a guy named Rick in a back room in the closet. Like, just grab some clothes and keep going. Grab something. Grab something and walk. [01:14:13] Speaker B: No, it's. It's literally Doc Hendricks. It's literally Michael Hayes going get something on this guy. [01:14:17] Speaker A: You know, like, make your character on the way to the ring. [01:14:20] Speaker B: Yeah. So in the meantime, Scooter Steiner heard me talk about throwing, and he proceeds to dump Scott Norton on his dome repeatedly. I got him, like, a capture suplex. They snapped. [01:14:33] Speaker A: He did get dumped like a dump truck. [01:14:34] Speaker B: Like, oh, my God. Belly to bellies. Horrifying. This is a banger in, like, a different way. The intensity is still there, but instead of, like. Like, the. The intensity of. Of the work rate, this is just the sheer heaviness of people falling because they're just huge. [01:14:52] Speaker A: I like, two. I wrote in my notes here, 12 minutes in, because I think that's right where we're track power pin of the Wink week. It was the power pin of the week, and I didn't even have time to laugh about it from a sexual standpoint because it was sponsored. It had, like, a little. And I was like, hell, yeah. Whoever. Whoever worked at this place was like, all right, so whoever gets their ass beat the best, that'll be sponsored by, you know, Castro Oil or something. [01:15:17] Speaker B: Yup. And it was a good little finishing segment. Ice Train press slam Scooter. But Scooter no sold it because he's. He's just. Just. [01:15:26] Speaker A: He scoots. [01:15:27] Speaker B: He. He scoots. He's. He's on so much scoot Juice. Oh, God. Oh, my God. That's why I'm calling steroids. Now Scoot. [01:15:35] Speaker A: That Juice is just scooting right out of him. [01:15:36] Speaker B: Honestly, that juice be scooting out of his pores. So he no sells the. The military press slab. Instead, he's like, you. I'm gonna get you a tiger driver on you. So he sets him up, but Scott Norton's like, no. And he clotheslines him out of the ring. But behind him, Rick takes Ice Train's head off with another clothesline. And that's good for three, just barely a squeaker, if you will. [01:16:00] Speaker A: Hell, some of These moves, even if you are trying not to hurt the other person, there's no fucking way. There's. It doesn't hurt getting. No slammed into the mat like that. Oh, my God, no. [01:16:09] Speaker B: And neither of these teams have. Have guys on them who give a fuck about not hurting you. That's why that match wins so hard. Just because they're not playing, pulling their. They just. They're like. [01:16:22] Speaker A: It reminds me. I know this is completely off topic, but that reminds me of the. The John Cena match that just happened. [01:16:28] Speaker B: I. I didn't see it. I don't watch. [01:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I don't watch the new stuff or any of it either. [01:16:32] Speaker B: But sometimes it calls to me, but it's just so gross. Everything around it hurts. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw like a clip from it, though, like on Tick Tock or something. And someone said Travis Scott doesn't know not to pull the punch all the way. And it showed him just like, like, just hit that guy in the head so hard. I was like, oh, God damn. He might have ruptured his eardrum. [01:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't do that. Oh, my God. Like, holy. The boys in the booth just like, bam. Yeah, yeah, you can't. That's not how this goes. You're supposed to like. [01:17:05] Speaker A: And I saw the wrestler and then he hit just like. Like, he kind of. [01:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess Cody, I guess got up. I. I might have to actually watch just that because it is a historic moment. Moment. Hina turning Seal after like. Or Cena turning heel after like 20 years. That's kind of a big deal. [01:17:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [01:17:23] Speaker B: But. Yeah, but back in 96, the boys tell us that we're gonna hear from Ric Flair after the break. We get the Bobby Heenan, and my soul gets a. A perfect moment of peace. Mean Gene, though. No peace for Mean Gene. He has the unfortunate job of wrangling the human eight ball that is 90s Ric Flair. So Mean Woo. Jean. Woman is out with him and immediately begins petting Jean. I love this bit. He's trying to. No. Sell it. He's like, obviously flustered. It's my favorite thing. So Ric Flair's promo is just him showing off his women collection somewhere along. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Weird. Yeah, I got this girl. I got this girl. [01:18:03] Speaker B: This guy used to be married to Macho, you know, this girl used to be married to Macho. And like, he's reiterating this and it's just kind of gibberish. And then he has woman called Giant. A small man compared to Ric Flair, which says more about you, Rick and Liz says much the same and Giant can come get it and blah, blah, blah. Well and good. I'm buckling in though, because it's parking lot brawl time. [01:18:27] Speaker A: Parking lot brawl time. [01:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but. All right, but then I get like. Oh, no, first we're talking about Mortal Kombat and how they're like going for it. So. So if that was like, subtle, they didn't wait till the end of the episode to say subtext. We get a CGI preview that looks like a Mortal Kombat game. It says blood runs cold coming to wcw. And there's snow and ice. So I am officially starting the Monday night fake fights countdown for Glacier time. Do you remember Glacier at all? [01:19:00] Speaker A: No, I don't. [01:19:01] Speaker B: Okay, so that's cool. [01:19:03] Speaker A: Like Glacier time. [01:19:04] Speaker B: Okay, real quick, because I. I do have a heart out coming, but real quick. Glacier is sub zero. Glacier. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [01:19:14] Speaker B: Glacier is a white dude martial artist with like, blonde hair and, and, and like, looks like the American ninja guy from like those 80s movies, but he's dressed up like a Kirkwood sub zero. [01:19:29] Speaker A: So they're doing like weird, gross yellow. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Face in a way, kinda. And it doesn't get better. But he is an actual martial artist. But it's not. Yeah, they're trying to do Mortal Kombat and eventually we'll get Chris Canyon as. As Mortise, his like, enemy. And it's actually. The graphs aren't bad, but the whole gimmick is like, like, what. What are you guys doing here? Like, they drop fake snow and like, it's just. It's so weird watching it happen that it's like, because I like Mortal Kombat. Like we just talked about. [01:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's also weird to see Mortal Kombat bleed that much into the wrestling. [01:20:05] Speaker B: It's re. I didn't realize that because again, I was a fed girl, so I did not realize that it happened this hard over here. [01:20:12] Speaker A: Right. [01:20:12] Speaker B: Well. And also, what were you guys doing over here? [01:20:15] Speaker A: You know how big Mortal Kombat was at the time. It doesn't seem as weird to do it, but now looking back on, it's like. That was weird. [01:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:20:22] Speaker A: Like, to put that much Mortal Kombat in the wrestling. [01:20:25] Speaker B: I tried to put myself back to 1996. It's like. No, that was everywhere. Like, it really was. So we come back because it's the. [01:20:33] Speaker A: Coolest video game movie. Like, I don't care anybody. So that's. That's, that's the right. [01:20:37] Speaker B: No, even the bad ones are good and the the new ones that they. They made like, that came out around the pandemic, and the sequels coming out this year are great. Great. I will die on that hill. [01:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I like. I liked the. The one that came out. The first one that came out. Yeah. That one was cool as hell. [01:20:55] Speaker B: What's his name? Carl Urban, is playing Johnny Cage in the sequel, so, like. Yeah, okay. Yeah, you can't. Yeah. If I was already sold and then I saw that, and I'm like, they. [01:21:06] Speaker A: Need to put Chapel Roan in it, because that will get every girl to go see it. I want to see her kill people in a Mortal Kombat movie. Really bad fun. [01:21:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Or she could get, like, weird Molina. She'd be a good Molina. [01:21:17] Speaker A: That would be so cool. Okay. Yeah. Oh, again, that's our other podcast, Chop. Our own wrestling. Yeah. [01:21:22] Speaker B: Chapel Room. Mortal Kombat podcast. Write it down. So we come back and it. Because it's live. We come back to the match already happening because they could. They couldn't stop them from starting to kick each other's asses. This is. These two are friends, like, really good buddies. They wrestled in Europe together. [01:21:40] Speaker A: Okay. [01:21:40] Speaker B: So they've known each other for a while. And what's cool about that? It means that they. They trust each other to. To be real rough. And because of that, we get this amazing. [01:21:54] Speaker A: They can do kink really safely together. [01:21:56] Speaker B: They can do exactly well to bring it back to when Sage was on. It's all kink. [01:22:01] Speaker A: It is all kink. Even though my dad didn't agree. [01:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah, right. So, like, they talked about, like, we're going hard. We're not pulling punches. You know, you're gonna. We want to break as much glass as possible because they got, like, four trucks. One of them is, like, a Yugo, but so it's like a hatchback. So they got, like, three trucks in a hatchback out in the parking lot surrounded by fans, and you got fit Finley and William Regal just beating the piss out of each other. Oh, my God. And it's, like, almost kind of in a ring, so, like, shape. So Finley puts his leg through a window almost right away. And I. I'm hoping that it was, like, break glass. I don't know if they actually did it, because I feel like everything I know about the 90s tells us that they wouldn't spend the money to replace the glass with sugar glass, but maybe they did because it was tnt. Maybe, you know. You know, it was Turner. Maybe they actually did, right? [01:22:59] Speaker A: Yeah, they might have, actually, because as. [01:23:01] Speaker B: Soon as he put his leg through there. I was like, you're gonna cut the big artery. Like, you're gonna die. [01:23:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't do that. That's. [01:23:06] Speaker B: You can't. It. That's not safe, you know? So thankfully, he didn't. But I was like, holy. All right, we're gonna go. Right off the bat. He didn't bleed to death. Before I can even recover from that, he's got a cinder block out, and he's punching Regal in the stomach with it. Like, this kind of. He takes a bumper off a Range Rover with Regal's face. [01:23:26] Speaker A: That was crazy. I was like, they can't do that now. But back then, it was just like, yeah, rip up the car and beat him up. [01:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And he, like, he. He hit the car with his face so hard that the bumper fell off. [01:23:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:37] Speaker B: And then he hit him with the bumper. This is so cool. This is the coolest. Yeah. So they tosses him on a pickup, and Bischoff's like, is that a Honda? Bobby's like, it used to be. Yeah, he in there. You go. [01:23:51] Speaker A: That's got him. That was a. Got him. [01:23:53] Speaker B: Yeah, got. Yeah, got him. Bobby. He's. He's backing. Good for him. So someone is bleeding. I can't tell who. Regal drops a damn elbow on Finley. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Somebody bleeding, but I can't tell who. [01:24:03] Speaker B: Regal drops a elbow on top of a Suburban. And I just realized this is, like, 90s auto trader wet dream. Like, all of this is all the cool cars. [01:24:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:13] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure my brother had one of these. Like. Yeah. So we. We've seen a few matches between these two. They don't pull the punches. They don't care. At one point, Finley's just trying to put Regal's head through a window, and instead, it keeps bouncing off. So he breaks a window with Finley instead. It's like, they're just. Like, we're breaking. [01:24:30] Speaker A: Yeah. When his head was bouncing off the window, I wrote down, this cuts too close to home for me. [01:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, no, this is. [01:24:36] Speaker A: I don't need to see anybody get their head bounced off a window. [01:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I was gonna say, I've had my head bounced off a car door before. I don't. [01:24:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't need to relive third grade. [01:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah, this sucks. So, like, Bobby says he's never seen a guy beat a guy up with four trucks before. And I was like, bobby, you've never been to Wisconsin Bar culture? Like, yeah, I've seen it happen. [01:24:55] Speaker A: That's what's going in Wisconsin, bro. [01:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I was Gonna say that's what's up. Sometimes that goes down at 3am Finley tries to doomstone Tombstone Regal on the hood of a Yugo. Regal gets out of it and then tries to pile drive Finley on the hood. And then Finley backdrops him onto the roof. And it's so great because this whole sequence, it's like they're. They're climbing the car while doing reverses on each other. Yeah, basically. And then like another turnaround and Regal ends up pile driving him on the hood for the 3 3. [01:25:25] Speaker A: And just like the car is a part of the fight. Like, it's. [01:25:27] Speaker B: It's. [01:25:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's alive. And it's also helping. [01:25:30] Speaker B: What a fight. And like, holy. Did they put on a masterpiece in what felt like maybe seven minutes? Like, it's just the quick. Like, wow. Finley's. [01:25:40] Speaker A: And these guys have health insurance too, right? At night. [01:25:43] Speaker B: Oh, no. Okay. I don't. [01:25:45] Speaker A: I was gonna say that's why they're fighting harder. They got health insurance, but never mind. [01:25:48] Speaker B: Maybe. Well, actually, you know, maybe Nitro did. [01:25:50] Speaker A: Did I know that Vince isn't giving anybody health insurance? [01:25:53] Speaker B: No. Vince sure did. [01:25:55] Speaker A: He probably be like, that cuts the integrity of the wrestling in half. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That's not how dad did it. And like, well, your dad was a piece of like, so are you. But holy crap. Finley's pissed. So he breaks one more window for good measure. And Bobby's like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. That's my car. That's my rental car. As we go to break, which is just like. Yeah, he's. He's at what? Like after a rough month, Bobby is. Is back in a good place. [01:26:21] Speaker A: It's pretty funny breaking someone's rental car, though. That's. That's pretty good. [01:26:24] Speaker B: That's good stuff. Yeah. So we come. We come back to the main event already like this. This Nitro is cooking Giant with Jimmy Hart still running the Dungeon of Doom music, which makes me sad. He. He needs a G from under Tasky for my mental health. Giant is too good. Like, I. That's a thing that I've learned is like, I knew I first was introduced to Giant literally, as Captain Insano in the water. [01:26:48] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that's right. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So like I. Because I didn't watch wcw and then eventually he was the big show in. In the Fed and I was like, oh, Captain Insano. So like, I'm. I'm experiencing Giant for the first time. And I know a lot of people don't like him because they think he's. What he was. He was really green. He kind of got thrown into more spotlight than a lot of guys thought he deserved because he was so green because he was just a big guy, and they could, like, do that, and it's like. But you know what? He wasn't bad. He really wasn't. I'm really enjoying this. Like, he doesn't. He deserves to not be in the dungeon of doom anymore, basically. So here comes Flair again, though. He's styling, he's profiling, and I. I wonder if he's gonna flirt with Mongo's wife for a third week a row. And sure enough, he does. He's like, hey, there's Deborah. Let me go. Go wink and nod. Mango tries to act tough about it, but, like, I'm sorry. Is so psyched that Ric Flair is going to his wife, like, and good for him, and I think he should just embrace it. It's like, dude, you're. He. He's doing that thing where he's acting so tough about it. It's like, I. Me thinks you do protest too much. [01:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah, Like, I want that. [01:28:00] Speaker B: Me. Me thinks you. We introduce you to the chair, so it's okay. Mago gives in the graps start, though, I'm happy because these two have been, like, putting on a really great program. This is, like, I think their third time fighting. Flair can't get anything on Giant. So, like, this is kind of how it. It always goes. He literally just throws himself at him and then bounces himself off of him. It's beautiful. It's like he's trying to wrestle a wall. A wall that will military press slam you at one point. Point Eric says unquestionably. And I imagine he's doing that just to rub it in Vince's face that he can say it and Vince can't, because Vince always goes across, and it's like, no, that's not how. That's not. [01:28:46] Speaker A: There's, like, 30 words that Vince cannot say. No, I'm saying on TV. [01:28:51] Speaker B: Yeah, machinations. The 30 words that Vince McMahon can't say on TV. There you go. Yeah, that's this podcast. [01:28:59] Speaker A: No, their words, like, unquestionably machinations. [01:29:02] Speaker B: You know, things of this nature. Things of this nature is another thing. Yeah, he says of that. [01:29:07] Speaker A: Do you consent? Yeah, that's. That's too hard for him to say. [01:29:13] Speaker B: Oh, judo. Good one. There were signs. All right. Yeah, there you go. You got. That was the. There were signs this week. You did it. Flair. Back in craps land. Flare is just running away for a few minutes. Because he's like, I can't do anything. It's working for him, though. He does. This is genius. He always goes for this. This popped me so hard. So, like, flare always goes for, like, the thumb to the eye because he's a dastardly heel. [01:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah, but. [01:29:40] Speaker B: And, like, yes, Giant is tall, but he's not this tall. But flare being, unfortunately, a problematic genius of his craft, he does a little hop, like he has to jump up to reach, poking him in the eye with his thumb. And I was like, that. That moment might be my match of the week. Like, just like. Like, yeah. [01:30:04] Speaker A: That was really cool, though. [01:30:05] Speaker B: He's like, I'm going to sell the fantasy that this guy is so tall I have to jump up to poke him in the eye. And he does it. Yeah, right. It works for a couple seconds, you know, but it's like, it's the fif. As we said last week, the fifi foe fum of it all, he is a Giant, you know? So, like, now you just have a blind Giant. So it doesn't work. He continues to throw him around. He tries to choke slam him, but Rick, like, holds on to the rope so he won't go up. And I'm like, that's a good little. Good little piece of. Of work there. And then, of course, the girls distract the ref as they do. That's why they're there. That's why he collects women. Like Pokemon. Yeah, yeah. Flair has what Bobby. Bobby calls a spasm. Uh, and he low blows the Giant. It was just. It could happen to anybody. That's what it takes to get Giant on his knees. And they do this bit again. Again, they're. This has been. They're replaying the hits because this is, like, the third time they've done it, but it entertains every. Yeah, every time where he keeps hitting them. And then Giant just throws them off with one hand, and he hits him a bunch, and he just throws him off in one hand like he's batting a fly away. Oh, it's just genius. So he tried. Yeah, he's trying it. It's not working. And then finally, like, the ref is still not looking. So Rick's like, it. I'm cheating. And he hits him with a foreign object of some sort, hides it back in his knee pad, and Giant is, like, knocked out. So, like, this is classic RIC Flair. I knock him out, and then I'll put him in the figure 4. So the ref thinks that I knocked him out with the pain. That's believable, right? So he does he. He does this and. And the ref goes to like check on him to like start to do the pin and it backfires. And. And Giant does almost like an undertaker style Mike Myers sit up and reaches out and grabs his throat and like people freak out. And he gets him all the way up, breaks the figure 4. And I can't believe I'm saying this. He choke slams Ric Flair on Nitro Raw for the three count and becomes the new WCW champion. [01:32:14] Speaker A: I want to get chokeslam draw. [01:32:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Also writing down possible title. Holy. [01:32:23] Speaker A: I just think it'd be great. I think if I got choke slammed raw, it would be really good for me. [01:32:28] Speaker B: Yeah, you got choke slam nitro. You want to get choke slammed raw. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah. My dad choke slamming nitro. I want to get choke slammed raw. Not by my dad. So I'm putting the feelers out there. I need to get choke slammed Ra. [01:32:43] Speaker B: Find me. Find me at Beast guy. So, yeah, Giant beats Ric Flair, which is like we talked about this before. People thought this sucked. Like, like and like I'm watching this. The crowd is looks kind of pissed. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Yeah, the crowd wasn't even into this match. Really. [01:33:01] Speaker B: Some of, some of them, well, they're into the match, but I don't think they like how it went. And some of them were kind of. Some of them were cheering and applauding when he got his hand raised because like, you know, that's what you do. And I think some, you know, some people really did like it. But like, like I will say there were a lot of, I'll say sis head white looking dudes with their arms crossed hard. The hard cam don't look like this. Yeah. Looking grumpy as. And I was like, oh, okay, you're mad that you're misogyny Guy who collects the women lost the belt. I see you. [01:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah, they, they need, they need the lady collector to win every match. Yeah, they are the lady collector. And if they're not the lady collector right now, they might be someday. [01:33:45] Speaker B: They're the maidenless. Yeah. Oh, America. The America is a land full of temporary maidenless lady collectors. That's for real though. That's the problem. [01:33:58] Speaker A: Also, I learned recently that back in the 70s and 80s, a lot of white supremacist groups that were like recruiting Nazis. I was just watching this documentary from this like anti racist guy that like reformed. You know, he helps now make things, you know, better in the world. Anyway, he was saying that a big tactic that they used to have to struggle with when recruiting people to be a Nazi with them was, oh, you guys don't have any girls in here. It's mostly guys. And like, that's. That's. That's why that happens is because the. The guy talking was like, that's why that happens. Because turns out chicks aren't really into white supremacy and. And misogyny, you know? [01:34:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. Doesn't work well for them. Yeah. As Lauren Southern is now finding out out. [01:34:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:38] Speaker B: So what do you mean? [01:34:39] Speaker A: Don't like being controlled and called like. [01:34:43] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. Only other get to call me. That's how that works. Right? It's. It's fine and fun and gender affirming. [01:34:50] Speaker A: I can call myself a dumb hot bimbo and it's fine. [01:34:53] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:34:53] Speaker A: No one else can actually. [01:34:55] Speaker B: If you do it. If you do it, you better be paying me. So. [01:34:58] Speaker A: Yes. Give me money. [01:34:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. Give Juno money. I, for one, am seeing this for the first time this match, though. And, like, I know he's greedy green. I know he's not great on the mic, but I got like, super. [01:35:10] Speaker A: Is he green? Because they're like the Hulk. Is that. [01:35:13] Speaker B: No, no, Green is in. He's new. He hasn't wrestled long. [01:35:16] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [01:35:17] Speaker B: As far as the green. Like, the green lighting they used, I don't know. That's a dungeon. [01:35:22] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Yeah, sorry. [01:35:24] Speaker B: No, no, I'm not sure, but when I say green is in, like, he's a green horn. He's new to it. [01:35:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. He's a new wrestler. [01:35:31] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a newer wrestler. So, like, he's not the greatest, but I think he's pretty great. And like, again, it's another thing where like. Like, they gave him this. They're like, you're literally Andre the Giant's son. And he's like, okay, you know, I guess. And like, you're just the Giant. Even though he can do, like, he. He can go to the top rope. Like, he's a. He's. He's huge, but he's also a basketball player. [01:35:51] Speaker A: He's like, more agile than. Than other size. [01:35:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So they could have used him for. [01:35:57] Speaker A: More stuff instead of just like, you're. [01:35:59] Speaker B: A big guy, but they didn't want to, so. But what did he do? It's kind of like Dustin, where they're like, you're the. You're the queer. So he's like, all right, I'm gonna be the best damn queer that ever queered. And. And so he's like, I'm the giant. All right. I am g. Get really good at Being the Giant. And that's what made this work. Like, this whole match was him doing great. Giant to Rick, who did a great job selling that. He's fighting a literal giant. And like, it worked. I loved it. I get it. I say get it. Paul White, you did great. This match ruled Wrestle Sky. Feel free to J me to hell for it, but hot take. I love this. This was a good title change on tv. I loved the build up to it. I loved the match. I love that it happened clean. I love that both guys executed perfectly. Like, I, I know that I'm, I, historically, I'm told that I'm supposed to not like that they did this, but I really like that they did this. [01:36:53] Speaker A: I'm really dense too. I'm listening to you, but I had to look up this grassland guy. You're talking about Paul. Paul Wyer, right? Oh, wait, yeah, that's looks like Big Show Captain Zeno. Because I was trying to figure out if he was the son of Andre the Giant or if he was just being introduced as this. But it's just like a wrestling. [01:37:11] Speaker B: No, it's just a wrestling thing which they, I, I'm, I think they have more or less abandoned at this point, but when they first introduce him, they're very. Because they're trying to set him up as a, a, a foil for Hogan. And Hogan only knows one thing. I come out, I know sell, I slam big guy, bring me a Giant, bring me literally Andre the Giant's son, and that's how we'll make money. Because Hogan has one idea and yeah, it didn't work. So they've more or less abandoned that. But for a long time they were, they were trying to say, I was. [01:37:45] Speaker A: Like, I didn't know under. The Giant had a. Had. I didn't know this was his kid. [01:37:49] Speaker B: But okay, yeah, that's because he didn't. And that's honestly up because he's dead and he can't. Like, you know what I mean? [01:37:56] Speaker A: Like, that's, that's, that's. Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. I'm like, wait, what if this isn't actually a kid? That's weird to do this even in death. [01:38:03] Speaker B: Like, it's almost. Especially in death. They keep exploiting that man, and I hate it. From all I could tell, except for some not great boundary stuff in the locker room, that is more about, we'll say it's more about patriarchy and toxic masculinity than it is about Andre. But outside of that, that I, I'm Pretty sure he was. He was a sweetheart. [01:38:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Honestly, he deserves so much more respect. But instead he was just disrespected constantly. I think him confronting this once or twice on. On some of the stuff he was doing is what contributed to that. Probably they gotta bully a guy that tries to be good. [01:38:42] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure at one point Vince, like, talked him out of getting the surgery that would have stopped him from continuing to grow because he made him think that he would be less of a drop. And he. Paul White has the same exact thing, but he's got it fixed at 27. He got the surgery so that he would stop growing and not die. [01:39:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And not die. And he can still occasionally hop in the ring. [01:39:07] Speaker A: And that's too bad that Andre was talked about. [01:39:10] Speaker B: Well, added to the list of reasons why Vincent J. McMahon is gonna burn in hell. So, yeah, it. I loved it. Bobby Heenan, though, he's sad. He can't speak straight. Mongo is jazzed because Bobby is sad. Pepe is staring directly into the camera saying, save me, please. You know what a nitro. And that's nitro. Like holy. That. That is. We did it. You, you. You did it. It took a lot, but we. You came and we talked about both episodes of this show. Do you have any final thoughts on nitro before we. We discuss our final questions? [01:39:48] Speaker A: I. Like I said, growing up, it was just this thing where it was like, I hate that I'm enjoying this because this isn't the real one. This is the other wrestling. You know what I mean? Like, it. It was the new one because it came later. And so it was compared to. Compared wwf. So I was like, resisting it a lot growing up. But after a while it felt more gay to me. So I kind of, you know, began to like it more until. Until the attitude era of that kind of pulled me back because I like seeing Stone called chairs at his boss. I was like, that's everybody. [01:40:20] Speaker B: That's really. It's the great unifier. Yeah. Everyone wants to beat up their boss and stuff. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Everyone wants to beat the. Out of their Boss. And Vince McMahon was smart enough to go, oh, people hate me and their boss. Let's just smush those together. [01:40:33] Speaker B: My boss, who's probably listening occasionally and is occasionally a guest on this show. [01:40:37] Speaker A: You weren't talking about them. You like, they're good. [01:40:39] Speaker B: I'm not talking about you. Yeah, yeah. [01:40:41] Speaker A: And then I don't have a boss. But if I have a boss because they give me a job or a book deal, then I Would never beseech your name at ever. I would say good things about you. Only because I want money. [01:40:52] Speaker B: Right, Exactly. So on that note, the mode of loving bosses, completely not sarcastic at all. I'm trying to keep a straight face. It's not working. [01:41:02] Speaker A: I like. I like that. It's like. It's like punk rock and I'll do whatever I want. But also, it's like, also, tell me what you want, and I'll do that for money. [01:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:10] Speaker A: It's funny. [01:41:11] Speaker B: That used to be a fun game at a place I work. What. What will Garrett do for 50 bucks? You know, like, what would I do for 50 bucks? [01:41:18] Speaker A: That used to be me. At parties, whenever everyone got me drunk. [01:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go. [01:41:22] Speaker A: The weirdest thing they got me doing was I was really trashed. And this is pre transition now. I don't drink. I can't drink. One sip, and I'm just like, oh, But I was dancing with a plant. Like, I was dancing with, like, a fake tree. I was like, this is fun. And I was dancing with that plant to. Bonnie Tyler is Anita hero from Shrek 2. [01:41:41] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. I could be into that. [01:41:43] Speaker A: I know that Bonnie Tyler's Anita Hero is not from Shrek 2, but it is. It. You know what I mean? No, it's that origin of its. Well, no, I mean, like, I know that's not where it came from, but in my mind. [01:41:52] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying to reject that. [01:41:54] Speaker A: Okay, cool. [01:41:55] Speaker B: Let's equip my own. That's where it's from. [01:41:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:41:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:57] Speaker A: No, it's the best use of a song in a movie ever. [01:41:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:02] Speaker B: Yes, they should. I'm kind of amazed they haven't yet. [01:42:07] Speaker A: But until wrestling slam, that was the thing. [01:42:12] Speaker B: Holy. I need to look into that. Right? [01:42:14] Speaker A: Yeah. We need to make Shrek wrestling happen. Sorry, I'm interrupting and talking about Shrek. [01:42:18] Speaker B: No, that's okay. I got two more questions before I let you go. Did you have a favorite match of the week? [01:42:25] Speaker A: God, that's. That's hard to pick. There's, like, a lot of matches that jump out at me. I don't know any. For me, any match where things get interrupted. Like, it's not supposed to go this way, and it does anyway. I like that. Like, if you look at it, any match where you're, like. You're watching it and you're like, oh, it's probably gonna go this way. And you walk out of the room to get a drink, and you come back and it's just Chaos. Like, that's good. Yeah. It's like, they're not even supposed to be here. That's great, right? I also really. I think the reason my memory of, like, what my best match would be probably or favorite is that a lot of people that I have good memories of are people that are, like, now known shitheads like Hulk Hogan and the Undertaker. Like, I like. I like them growing up. And now I'm like, oh, there. You know what? Here's my. [01:43:07] Speaker B: Matt. [01:43:08] Speaker A: My favorite. I have one. I have an answer. My match of the week. My favorite one is when everybody booed Hulk Hogan for trying to sell beer the other day. Yeah, that's my favorite match of the week. Whenever. When everyone at the audience of wrestling booed Hulk Hogan during a promo for beer here. [01:43:23] Speaker B: Yes. Nothing. We saw the show that specifically. [01:43:26] Speaker A: Watch it. [01:43:27] Speaker B: I was gonna say I. I really was enjoying the Steiner Brothers match. And then I remembered about the Steiner Brothers as people, and I was like, oh, it's not. [01:43:35] Speaker A: I'm really autistic. I misunderstood your question. I thought you meant, like, ever. I didn't know you meant about what we talked about. [01:43:40] Speaker B: About what we just watched. [01:43:43] Speaker A: About what we talked about. My favorite one. [01:43:45] Speaker B: I'm leaving it in because it's good. [01:43:47] Speaker A: Yeah. My favorite one is the one with Mankind. I really like the Mankind match. [01:43:49] Speaker B: Punch. [01:43:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just like, oh, right. Wrestling is allowed to be silly. And not just like, you know, punch, punch, kick. Like, yeah, it's punch, punch, kick. But also it's, like, silly. And that's. That was my favorite growing up was like, the story lines and stuff. [01:44:02] Speaker B: And that transitions to my match of the week. Silly punches and kicks and silly at the same time. Parking Lot Brawl. [01:44:08] Speaker A: Yes. [01:44:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That's one of my favorite matches of all time. So it had to kind of the. [01:44:14] Speaker A: Bumper falling off the car. I feel like the person who did that was like. When they did that, they're probably like, oh, whoop. I didn't mean to hit you that hard. [01:44:20] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I feel like that whole match was them going, I'm gonna have to be so sorry later. Like, I'm gonna have, like, I'm gonna be buying you. [01:44:27] Speaker A: So they probably all need painkillers after that match, for sure. Like, three Tylenol a piece. [01:44:32] Speaker B: Quite literal. And so. And then the final question of the week. But I feel like I already know the answer to this. I mean, I know my answer. Who won this week because it's a war. Nitro or Raw? And I say nitro because I was like, yeah, I was like, I was, like, electric. I was. [01:44:48] Speaker A: And that's why it's, like, hard to pick a favorite moment from it, because it was just good the whole time. It was just chaos, basically. Yeah. [01:44:53] Speaker B: Whole show was cooking and it was amazing. [01:44:56] Speaker A: I, I, I. Ted Turner in the docu series on Netflix. He is pretty fair, I think, overall, to, like, you know, what happened and stuff, but. And I think it's funny when, like, for the two different, you know, competing networks or whatever. But I liked when he said, said. I liked when he said. He said something like, I know in the end, Vince won, but he's like, There was a while we were eating his lunch every single day. [01:45:22] Speaker B: Yep. And that's why he was pushed so hard to do the up that he did. [01:45:26] Speaker A: Right. [01:45:27] Speaker B: Part of it was because, like, they were actually losing. [01:45:30] Speaker A: They kind of made it so Vince had to open the Overton window and drag it a bunch because. [01:45:35] Speaker B: Yep. Because he had to get weird to win. And that's why we're doing the show where we will continue to get weird. Weird to, I guess, win. But thank you for being here and being weird and winning. Is there any. Anything that you want to let people know about where to find you, where to send you the money they should send you? Oh, anything. Anything you want to promote before we get out of here. [01:45:58] Speaker A: You can follow me on Blue Sky. My name is Juno. You can follow me on Instagram and Tick Tock and you can. I have newsletters. I'm really bad at this. I have newsletters you can subscribe to because I got sick of cisgender journalists saying, wow, that's a really good idea, but we can't approve that because of this really dumb reason. And then, like, four months later, I would see that someone else write the idea that I pitched, and I was just like, okay, bet. So eat. [01:46:25] Speaker B: That the way? Yeah. [01:46:26] Speaker A: I started just writing independently more, because I can write it without anyone affirming me. I know what I'm doing. Anyway, I've got a. I've got a newsletter called Girl Music. It's named that way intentionally to be antagonizing, because growing up, it felt like men were always like, no, this is ours. And you have to name three songs. And do you know enough about this to to partake in our music? And it's like, I call it Girl Music. But then the first line in every newsletter is, this is music. Newsletter is for anyone who just likes pretty music and art. Because it's girl Music. Because girls can listen to it too. But I choose to Share it with people, you know, fuck it. [01:47:00] Speaker B: And I appreciate that. And I think I love music and I think that more people should be less like that. And that's the thing. And that's one of the things I like about the good wrestling community, a lot of Wrestle sky is that it's more about sharing the thing we love. There are those guys. 1. [01:47:18] Speaker A: Don't you like it too? Instead of. Do you like this as much as me? Because if you don't, you can't be here. That's stupid. [01:47:23] Speaker B: But there are absolutely. [01:47:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Every single, like, hobby or passion has that. And it's just like. That doesn't add to the community. It just pushes people out. [01:47:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's was good. I have thoughts like the bro bro's like, oh, you're a fan of wrestling? Name three of Ric Flair's crimes. You know, it's like, yes, exactly. And I can. That's. That's why I became this. I was like, I will. I will name all of his crimes. They are. [01:47:47] Speaker A: My favorite joke for that is, oh, you're a. A girl that likes Nirvana. Name three guys that have accosted you in a parking lot for R and N. It's just stupid. Yeah, I get it all the time because, like, if I'm wearing a T shirt, there's an 80 chance it's nirvana shirt. And so I get it all the time. And I. I always give wrong answers. I think it's funny. [01:48:08] Speaker B: They're just. They're just mad that you pointed out that their hero is a trans girl and that's what it is. [01:48:13] Speaker A: Yeah, they don't like it. [01:48:14] Speaker B: And you're right. Oh, my God. We didn't trans a single wrestler on. [01:48:17] Speaker A: This podcast this week. The wrestler that we are transiting is Mankind. Mankind is non binary this week. [01:48:25] Speaker B: All right. Awesome. Yes. No, that makes sense. No mix Mick gives me that energy for sure. Excellent. Well, welcome mankind to. To. [01:48:34] Speaker A: Welcome to the Trans Universe. [01:48:36] Speaker B: The Trans Universe. We did it. And we will continue to trans a wrestler every week until our also shout out to the. [01:48:44] Speaker A: I mean, I know that we can't always shout wrestling out for doing. Doing good things, but they recently. I think it's Cody. I don't know the names. Cody Rhodes. He ran over and signed a fan's thing when they were holding a trans flag and I was like, hell yeah. [01:48:56] Speaker B: Like, yeah, no, there's a lot of really good. [01:48:59] Speaker A: He didn't have to walk over there, but instead he was like, yes. [01:49:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, his. His brother Gold Dust, Dustin Rhodes was one of the first people to have trans flag merch on the AW store. [01:49:11] Speaker A: I love that. That's so cool. See, guys, art doesn't have to be patriarchal and mean. It can be aggressive and cool and inclusive. [01:49:19] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. And that's a great note to end on, because that's a lot of what we do here, folks. Transing your favorites, whether you like it or not. But thank you for being here, Juno. Thank you, everyone, for hanging out and listening. And, God, there's not much else to say. We'll see you next week for more Raw versus Nitro. On Monday night, Fake Fights. [01:49:46] Speaker A: Ghost Coast Studios. Thanks for listening.