Lugz Twink of the Week w/Vin Forte

[00:00:01] Speaker A: You look at the rock and roll express here and you're like, oh, Ricky Bor. He looks, looks like he's getting up there in, in age. There he is, 38 in that match. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Welcome back to Monday night Fake Fights where I, Garrick Taylor, she they am doing a re watch of the Monday night wars and making it your problem. Joining me this week is my co host. [00:00:36] Speaker C: Hey, it's Erica. She they. I got roped into a fun week. [00:00:42] Speaker B: You picked a hell of a one. And this week's esteemed absolute victim is Ben. [00:00:48] Speaker A: He they. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Welcome Vin. He they. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Yes. Should I play? I'm always like, I, I, I'm so bad at like plugging my own stuff. Like should I plug things or plug things here? [00:01:02] Speaker B: Tell the people who you are and what you do and all of that because otherwise I'll, I'll just have something generic and no one likes that. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I did a podcast for a long time called Wrestle Rap and I also. Yes, and I still do some podcasting. Me and Mike Sempervivi from Wrestling observer fame, we do something on the black wrestling patreon called Bulls in a China Shop where we watch a lot of like the worst of wrestling and wrestling related ephemera. And then mostly, mostly I do writing which you can [email protected] so go subscribe to that because it's free and you get two articles a week and there's also a small paid tier if you would like. But go there right now because there's great stuff up. What's up there? A lot of music video reviews. I got a thing up there about the gray album. The 20 year anniversary of that right now, Brian Wilson, rest in peace. You gotta think about him and anxiety up. So go check that out. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. No, rest in peace, Brian Wilson. Yes. Also, what with the anxiety. 20 year anniversary of the Gray album. [00:02:12] Speaker A: Wow, 21 technically. [00:02:14] Speaker B: I need to lay down. Oh my God. I remember when that broke my, my wee little brain right on down. And that was. Oh my God. Folks were old. All right, well that, that was good. It seems you say you're no good at promo yourself. That was fantastic, folks. Go read, give, give Vin money. You know how I feel about you. [00:02:35] Speaker A: Bad. Follow, follow me on the, on the blue sky too. Vin Forte at whatever, you know, the Blue sky handle. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll make you do it again at the end. Don't worry. Yeah, so you kind of already answered what the what if any question that we give for New guests relationship to wrestling. You, you, you, you, you, you relate. You, you've been dating, you know each other, you're familiar, you been intimate. [00:03:02] Speaker A: Oh yeah, me and wrestling been making scenes. [00:03:07] Speaker B: So it will not be a exposition heavy one because it will be all of us here going oh God. And on that note, you were, you were ready to get into, into it before we even started. You, you called your shop before I even got the recorder in here. You want to talk Nitro? [00:03:23] Speaker A: Yeah. This was like a, this is like a tale of two wildly different types of wrestling shows this week. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Is, it is. [00:03:33] Speaker A: Well, well, because at this specific point in 1996. June 1996. [00:03:38] Speaker B: This is 23rd. Yes. 24. [00:03:41] Speaker A: Yeah. June 24th. Yeah. So it is right before Bash of the Beach. So we're right up to the line right now, right before the nwo. So that's where WCW is at. Where like they're about to explode. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:58] Speaker A: Yes, they're about to explode. They've got that hot cruiserweight scene that's propelling them you know, a little further as well. And then oh, you switch over to WWF at the time. And it's like I've thought this for a long time. Even like as a teenager and even as a kid, even though I probably shouldn't have known what about what I'm about to talk about was, but that I always thought that the, the, the mid-90s WWF aesthetic is very like softcore porn. It's very like smokey, but like not fun smokey. It's like, like they like, like they have that six man tag on Raw that we watched and like all the outfits are God. Like Savio Vega looks like he's wearing construction paper. Like it just looks really cute. [00:04:48] Speaker B: I mean yeah, we'll get there but yeah, no, Rob, well Rob was going into silk stockings too. So like it very much was. Yeah, yeah, like it kind of sort of was. Yeah. So we'll get, we'll start with Nitro where it still grabs live from the Queen City. Nonetheless, it's, it's. We're in flare country. It's gonna be a woo heavy episode. They starting with the Blazer Boys. Tony and Larry, living legend. And sure enough like you said man, they're right away getting things hyped for Bash at the beach. And what a better way to do that than showing us, showing us Bischoff getting up again. [00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah, this episode was a lot of like, like, like the threat of the outsiders was all over this episode. Like most of the matches it's a through line and this would normally. Yeah, like, most of the matches, you would. Nor, like, this would normally be a complaint, but, like, they're not talking about the matches during the matches during this episode. [00:05:46] Speaker C: Like, they don't even show the two guys until the end of the show. Like, they. Like, you think about how, like, in modern wrestling, they'd always be like, oh, they pulled up outside. Yeah, yeah, I was waiting for them there. But, like, they. They didn't. They just said, we heard they're here. We got security. Everybody's on edge. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Oh, and what security they had. [00:06:08] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:06:09] Speaker B: Wow. Holy. But no, that's the thing is that they're through all of it. It's like, it. Not even at first. They're just showing you, like, hey, this is what's going on. And. But as soon as the grabs start, they're. They're like, y' all. We're hearing they're in there, you know, like, and. And the whole thing is about this. Like, so for sure enough, before we even get to that mean. Gene's in the lock. He's. He's stimulating. WCW's three. Three main men got men here. We got Randall Sauvage, Stinger and Lex. And they are united by the face paint of the Stinger. It's downright cute. They're all like. I love when they got a little uniform, you know? [00:06:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Whenever they do. Whenever they match Sting's face paint, it's always like, yes. [00:06:55] Speaker A: This Stanley Ipkiss mask ass face paint. Like. Like. And then. And then they're interviewing like, they. They. Macho cuts a fine promo, but then they cut the Lex, and immediately he's like, the WW wcw. It's like, come on, Lex. Like, you can't get out the correct, like, call letters. [00:07:14] Speaker C: Like, it's a bit of you. It's been a year. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been a year, Lex. Come on. I think he was just in awe because Macho killed it so hard. Like, he cuts his. [00:07:24] Speaker A: Oh, he did. [00:07:24] Speaker B: He's like, I gotta leave. I gotta go kick Wall Street's ass. He's just like. [00:07:29] Speaker A: He's wearing that. That hat that has, like, a bunch of smooches on it. Like, I don't know. Did he go around the locker room? It was like. Like, kiss my hat. Like, I don't know. Like, that hat was wild. Give it a little smooch. Come on. [00:07:42] Speaker B: For good luck. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. So, no, it works. He's off. And those two. Yeah, they can't. You leave. LE literally wrote that, like, Stinging Lex just cut a stinker. Just a big old st. Like everything about this sucks. And then it gets interrupted by Steiner brothers. I was like, all right, all right. And then Harlem comes out. I'm like, oh, yeah, oh yeah. There's a lot of meat in this small 90s frame here. Jesus. [00:08:04] Speaker A: Well, yeah, by man meat. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Like what the. [00:08:08] Speaker A: I'm g. Say, like, like the Steiners come in and the whole time they're just blocking the frame. You can't see if anyone see anything. [00:08:15] Speaker C: Yeah, it's just. It's just Steiner's biceps. [00:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:21] Speaker C: Just wall to wall where. [00:08:24] Speaker A: Where the big boys play and block the camera. Like meat on meat on meat. [00:08:28] Speaker B: Where that outrunner style, old, old ratio and everything. And it's just. There's not a lot of room for all that meat. We come back for graps, though, and Larry drops a steaming hot pile of commentary. He says the Surgeon General, what warns that fighting any of those three teams is hazardous to your health. Tony, God loves him, just no sells it like he should. He just moves away. Like, I'm not even gonna dignify with a response. [00:09:01] Speaker A: So I. I had completely forgotten about this. Like, they made such a big deal in this episode and I guess in every episode around this time, about like it's hour one of Nitro. And then they had like a little 10 second countdown at the end. Like, we're entering hour two of Nitro in 10 seconds now five. Larry's Abyss will get the out of here. My brain's coming in like, yeah, they. [00:09:24] Speaker B: They really make. They wanted to make a big deal out of it still. And I don't know when that ends, but it's silly to me. Every time, not this episode, but sometimes one of the first times they did, you get like pyro going off and in the middle of the match and yeah, this is like, what do you. This is stupid. I don't like this. [00:09:45] Speaker C: I remember at least from this period, I remember when RAW goes two hours, it'll be like war zone. And then Monday night Raw. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Raw is war. So the first hour would be Raw. But at least with that. But at least with that, it always felt like to give WWF a little credit at that time, once they started doing that, it felt like Raw was like the setup and then you would watch and it was like war zones. Like where the action is. It's the war zone. [00:10:12] Speaker C: I don't remember there ever being like a. That kind of like, we're going to have like this big announcement. There's a countdown clock. There's pyro. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not New Year's Eve. Like, we don't need this big countdown just for hour two of nitro. [00:10:26] Speaker C: I mean, I guess it's still new. [00:10:28] Speaker B: For them, but yeah, I think at this point they're really, it's. It's a matter of them kind of smelling their own farts on the fact that they went two hours and raw ad. Yeah, like, they're just really, really wanting to throw it in your face that we did it and you didn't. And like, you know, ride that while you can. We. We get opening grabs, though. Back to the wrestling of it all. And this is, this is a weird opening match. [00:10:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:56] Speaker B: Ooh, Lady Daddy, we likes to potty. The Public Enemy comes out and they are extra like Enemy and it's them versus the blue plugs. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, this is like complete thrown together BS and like, I. I don't know if it was before this match. Cut a promo after, but there's a part where they. Where they do like the picture in picture of Public Enemy, like, cutting a promo. And like, I don't know if they. If they were just not saying anything but. Or there was a technical issue, but like, they were like him and Han about something and then all of a sudden they start laughing and I'm like, you could hear the laughter, but everything before that you couldn't. And it was like, what is this? [00:11:41] Speaker B: Difficulties? [00:11:43] Speaker C: Live tv. [00:11:44] Speaker A: But okay, so. So there's that. But then what, What? With my head even further is once they got to the ring and they were like jawjacking on the ringside, they were talking. You still couldn't understand what they were saying. Don't know how to talk. Like, it was like, yeah, it's like, what did you just say? Wait, Rocco Rock just say like, no. [00:12:06] Speaker B: Johnny Grunge just cuts out. Like, he just peaks. [00:12:09] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I couldn't tell if it was from the version I was watching. And like, they just. Because they definitely had dubbed over music for them, but like, the crowd, the crowd looked into it, but you couldn't hear it. So, like, I do think that a. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Lot of, like, oh, there were a lot of white boys that were. [00:12:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, they were. They were. They liked waving their hands. I don't necessarily think they liked Public Enemy. [00:12:34] Speaker A: No, they were just like, this. This is the kind of. This is the kind of hip hop we can get behind. Like. [00:12:39] Speaker B: No, they like the idea of someone having viol done upon them and they came out with like a dog Collar. So, like, yeah, they come out with a dog collar and I'm like, oh, do we get a. Yeah, I know. [00:12:52] Speaker A: We'Re getting a dog collar match. [00:12:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I got really excited about that. [00:12:56] Speaker A: Open a nitro of a dog collar match. [00:12:58] Speaker B: And I was like, I know. Sullivan got his head knocked around bad by Ben Waffle. What is this booking? Like, what? Like, no, they're. They're. They're just getting us hyped for when they're gonna do it against the Nasty Boys at a pay per view. And I'm like, I don't. [00:13:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:10] Speaker B: And I immediately was like, I don't want to see that. [00:13:13] Speaker C: I never. If I never see another Public Enemy versus Nasty Boys match, it'll be too soon. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Did they throw those tea. Did they throw those two teams together so often just because it was like. [00:13:26] Speaker B: Mere opposites of each other? [00:13:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, you could literally have them swap clothes and they're the exact same team. [00:13:32] Speaker C: That had to be it. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah, they're. They're. Yeah. No, we. We often say that Public Enemy is. Is just cultural appropriation, boys. It's. It's just like, it's not good and it's just the same thing. And, and, and it's just an Italian man with. With braids. And it's not. And, and, and, and. And it's. It's just. [00:13:55] Speaker C: It. [00:13:56] Speaker B: I'm. They don't suck. That's the thing. This match. I will give this. I wrote down this match what the thing I've been trying to tell people. Whether or not. Just to sum it up, I think watching or not, I'm actually gonna say watch this. All four of these guys are really good at their jobs, minus a little bit of early awkwardness. And like, I don't. I was done expecting that of Public Enemy because they keep throwing them in matches against Nasty Boys. And I'm like, I just don't want to see this anymore. And that's all they seem to have for us. So, like, I. At first I started to sing, like, what the. Is this? The Blue Bloods? But by the end of it, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, let's. Let's do more of that, please. Because this is. I found myself in. In entertained by a Public Enemy match for the first time in months, basically. And, I mean, there's all kinds of reasons for it too, as far as, like, notable bits. Rocco Rock does a moonsault. Like some, like, wild, like, standing moonsault. Like, he tried. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Really? [00:15:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, I've never seen him do that in his WCW run and. [00:15:05] Speaker B: He does it like twice or no one point ye still Rocko not Johnny Regal hits the walkway. The. The Samoa Joe on Rocko Rock who does a standing lion salt on him. And Lynn like Regal just kind of like dances at him pawning. I'm like, this is great. This is. This is grabs. This is fantastic. I love everything about. I'm not used to liking Public Enemy this much, but how. How did this overall treat you guys? [00:15:34] Speaker A: I liked it. Like you said, it was a surprising opening act in every which way but loose like it was. I wasn't expecting these two teams, but this is what we got. And then what we ended up actually getting was like a surprising amount of offense from Public Enemies. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it was very fun. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. I was not ex. Again, not expecting it. Public Enemy actually looked good. And then Regal is just being a complete bastard. He's doing his like little. He was doing his. There's a little dance to Mac make fun of him. It's like, yes. Go, go, Steve, go. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Like be that talking at the American. [00:16:16] Speaker C: Right. And Dave Taylor is really good as well. He's not quite like the level of petty that Regal is able to accomplish as a heal in the ring. But like it was. This was like so much fun. [00:16:30] Speaker B: It was fun. He's no Earl of Eden, I'll say that. Yeah. But no, it was a fantastically good time as far as a match that I was not expecting that from at all. If only for the moonsault of it all. The finish though, Grunge hits Taylor behind the ref's back with cast Owen Hart style for the win. And I'm like, you know, I appreciate it. In the end, you still got to be a nasty, if not a nasty boy. Uh, but yeah, the. The other notable thing for me though is the chuckle Fox specifically going out of their way to be like, they saw them folks. They're in the parking lot like immediately. Every. Like you said, every. I took note of it later. Every segment there's. There's at least a mention of these guys are somewhere and I'm scared and like that's. They're. They're. They're on it. It's good stuff. Speaking of on it though, we come back, Taskmaster is power walking to the ring like they're giving away three Duncans. Like he's just gone. [00:17:39] Speaker C: I've never seen Kevin Sullivan move like this until. [00:17:44] Speaker B: I don't know what happened. [00:17:48] Speaker A: No, I. I don't know. I just. I see him running with those like the Painted on eyebrows that make him look like he's just shocked all the time. Like he's power walking to the ring. Like Benoit's doing what with my wife? [00:18:00] Speaker B: Like, exactly. [00:18:02] Speaker A: So upset. [00:18:03] Speaker B: It's like ever since that. Ever since they. They went to the bat men's room and beat the out of each other last weekend, like, he's been really. He's been different. Something's wrong with Kevin. [00:18:15] Speaker A: We need something. Something happens. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Something happens when you. When you go in and then come out of that men's room. [00:18:22] Speaker B: Yeah. It sure enough, it happens again. It's notable. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Makes a man out of Kevin. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah, he. He goes. He. He power walks into Kip Habee, who is jobbing out for him tonight. He gets no entry. I tried to look up Kipaby and I couldn't find much of anything. Doesn't bode well, but, yeah, Sullivan just attacks him. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Oh, that was a great. When he threw. He is like a full steam train ahead. Like, when he gets done with power walk, grabs him immediately throws him through the barricade. [00:18:57] Speaker B: And I'm like, okay, yeah, no, we're not wrestling. This isn't wrestling. I'm taking you to the bathroom. I need you to go to bathroom. [00:19:06] Speaker A: And then they proceed to like, like on commentary now, like that they're not in the ring. They're all of a sudden, like, into this match because they make such a big deal about they're not gonna go in the lit. In the women's room. Don't go in the women's room. It's like, oh, my God. [00:19:23] Speaker B: If it's in the ring, it's, you know. But now it's. Yeah, now it matters, right? [00:19:26] Speaker A: And then they throw them on the. The. The 90s ass. Like subway sandwich stand. [00:19:34] Speaker B: The concession standing. Yeah, I think, yeah, Larry. Some. But, yeah, there's no wrestling here. Like, this is. It's a D. Dq. Like, the match barely even starts. He just tries to throw him in the. In the women's room again. [00:19:48] Speaker C: It's just a straight up beating. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah, just a beating. So they. They come back for commercial, and we've managed to get Boston Bob into the ring for some exposition corner with Gene. First thing he asked Jimmy Hart is, why is your boss obsessed with bathroom? [00:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:08] Speaker B: Like, even jeans? Like, what the. [00:20:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:12] Speaker C: What is this gimmick, man? [00:20:14] Speaker B: Yeah, what's going on here? I mean, I trust you, Booker man, but like, what the is going on here? So Jimmy and Kevin both tried to talk some, but the Carolina crowd does not care. They drown them out with we want flair. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I was gonna bring that up like. Like all throughout the show. Because you have to. Well, because you have to figure, like, the one thing we have to remember is that if you're in the crowd, you're not getting all the commentary, exposition about the outsiders. So you're just there watching whatever people are coming out next. So. So in your head, you're like. They just. You're like. All you saw if you were in that crowd is Kevin Sullivan. Power walked out. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:58] Speaker A: Threw a guy through the stands, then left the arena, which you cannot see because you're in the stand. And then came back and. And someone. And now they're talking about, like, bathroom. Like, yeah, I would. We want flair too. Like. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like this is. Yeah, this is Charlotte, baby. Like, what are we doing here? You guys know what we want? What are you giving us? This. [00:21:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Women's room. Like, no. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Jimmy says if he hears Ric Flair say he's gonna those women one more time, he's gonna choke himself to death. And I think to myself, promise. [00:21:39] Speaker A: I think to myself, what a wonderful world. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:43] Speaker C: Fortunately, history didn't turn out the way. [00:21:45] Speaker B: We wanted it because, you know, he did. Yeah, it's. It's ridiculous. This whole. Whatever. I'm with the crowd icon. You're leaving me one player and that's like, what. So, yeah, finally back to some, like, good old actual grasses and hard work. Bobby Walker, baby. I like this guy. [00:22:09] Speaker C: Bobby Walker. [00:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah. He's. He's got spunk. He's like. It's like, you know what? Hard work, Bobby Walker. You're not gonna win this match, but you're putting in hard work. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you. You ripped it right off my notes. I was like, unfortunately, Dimalinko's kill you. But, yeah, I like this guy. And wild match. It. It goes. It's like a four and a half minute. Sorry, one second. Doggo dog. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Doggo doggo alert. There is a dog in the arena. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Dog in the arena. So sorry. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Hi. Hi. Kevin Sullivan. [00:22:47] Speaker B: My day job. My day job is a hound of hell. I swear. She's a sweetheart. She just also has zero boundaries when it comes to yelling at people in the. In the hallway. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Basically, she's getting all riled up. I heard someone went into the ladies room and shouldn't have. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. What the hell? [00:23:06] Speaker C: What'd you do to the subway stand? [00:23:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, well, why'd somebody get rid of the V cut? [00:23:12] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Oh, my God. Asking the real questions, man. [00:23:16] Speaker A: This is. Yeah. This is return this podcast and the Pablo Torre Finds out, we need to know. [00:23:25] Speaker C: God. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Metalark Media, come on. Back the truck up. Back the truck up with Monday night fake fights. [00:23:32] Speaker B: We'll have. We'll have you in a reoccurring segment. You come out and be like, vin figured this out. Whatever happened to Jennison? [00:23:45] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:23:46] Speaker B: Oh, there you go. Holy. I want that V cut back. All right, the dog is done, folks. If you hear a dog, she's adorable. There's nothing wrong with her. She's just like that. But yeah, this. This match, I. Where we were, love Bobby. Bobby Walker. It's a weird match show. Like Malenko, I'm no. Firmly shaping himself up from tweener, no nonsense grappler into. I'm blatantly doing heel. And I kind of love this. Like, he takes him. He takes a powder. I'm like, dean Malenko doesn't take powders. Like, this is. This is weird. But then speaking of weird, I don't really know what to say about this match overall, because Disco. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [00:24:34] Speaker C: So any good wrestling, Glenns? [00:24:37] Speaker A: No, I will say to give the devil his due. Listen, we all hate. We all hate Glenn Goberti. [00:24:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, first of all, give it. Let's get out of the way. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Get out of the way. If he. If he were a nicer person, people would probably. And. And I was gonna say that. That people would probably give the Disco Inferno character more leeway because it is an annoying gimmick and there is a way to work it where. But it just. It got overextended like, like that Disco Inferno character was around from, like, the start of Nitro, or at least like, from this point all the way to, like, the end. And it's like, it didn't need to run that long. [00:25:22] Speaker B: But right now, after the integration. [00:25:26] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, that's what I mean. So, like. But right here in this moment, in a vacuum, okay, this is. So this is some good heel where, like, the fact that the match is going on and he, like, gets on the ring post and starts, like, dancing. Like, come on. Like, that's the kind of heel I like. And then, like, Mean Gene's trying to interview Dean Malenko afterwards and he just walks behind him with his big gold record. [00:25:53] Speaker B: No, like, that's why I'm like, what do we even say about this? Because this, man, it becomes not about the match. It's about dancing on the Carter turnbuckle and the fact that they played the music too. [00:26:06] Speaker C: So weird. But, like, here's the thing. I think disco's supposed to be the face. [00:26:11] Speaker A: That's the thing. [00:26:12] Speaker C: Well, that's unfortunate because, because, like, all right, no, like, hear me out. The crowd is chanting boring at Malenko through the match. He's doing heel stuff. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Yeah, well, because he's trying to be boring. He's being. [00:26:26] Speaker C: That's right. He's doing. He's doing the character that he's being asked to do at this point. [00:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:31] Speaker C: And disco is like the comedy baby face, I guess. [00:26:34] Speaker A: This is, this is a feud for nobody. This is like a perfect mismatch of characters. [00:26:40] Speaker C: I will not disagree with that. [00:26:43] Speaker B: That's where I landed on. This is like, is this really the. This is the, the. The. This is a match that we're getting. This is build up that we're getting these two. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Because here's the psychology of. Yeah, because here's the psychology of how it could work. Because normally in this situation, you would want a Dean Malenko hard ass like Hank Hill, no nonsense guy, doing his, doing his holds and whatever. And people are chanting nights boring. And then all of a sudden, Disco Inferno comes in. You would want, in a perfect world, disco to be more of like an Orange Cassidy character. [00:27:19] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:19] Speaker A: Where it's like, he's annoying Dean Malenko, but he's not annoying the crowd. Like, the crowd is on his side, but where Disco up is. He's just annoying everybody. Because he sucks. [00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, because he's like, he sucks and like. Oh, thank you. Well said, Ben. No, and I'm trying, when I try to put myself into that, you know. [00:27:43] Speaker A: Where, like, don't ever, don't ever try that. [00:27:46] Speaker B: No, but like, in that the mindset of, like, hey, like, sense that, like, that's what they're thinking is like, well, we're gonna put our, our comedy face. But he's not a face. Just because you decide Dean Malenko is a heel does not Disco Inferno a face make like that. That's not how this works. So it ends up just being weird. Bobby Walker gets shoved into him and then he gets the Northern Lights suplex from hell for the finisher and the goddamn tippy toes on that bridge from Malenko. Beautiful wrestling is about extending the bridge, God damn it. But yeah, it's just. All of. It's weird. The exposition corner with Mean Gene who tries to talk to Malenko and he just shows up is kind of beautiful. The juxtaposition is just like. Because he's like talking about how serious he takes the belt and. And then here comes this little. [00:28:45] Speaker C: It's about you they care about. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Cold record Talk about, I sold a million, I sold 500, 000. Yeah, I'm sure he did. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, you got a thousand holes, 500, 000 CDs. And it's like, this is a. What is he saying about television ratings? Like, this is everyone. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like. He's like, it's about entertainment where you're. We're here to be entertained, buddy. It's like, well, it is a wrestling show. You should, you know, wrestle. [00:29:14] Speaker B: But this is what I. This is my thought, too, is like, okay, it doesn't make sense that they can't actually think that he's the face. They can't, because in my mind, they're making Vince, like. Because he's coming out here going, look, I'm the Fed, you know, and you are the. Where the big boy is actually wrestling, and I'm the Fed. Yay. And like, that makes sense to me. The only other thing that makes sense kind of fully embrace is that Glenn Goberti just go Inferno. And he actually believes all the things that he was saying. [00:29:53] Speaker C: Yeah, he sold those million records. [00:29:59] Speaker B: He sure thinks he did. But, God, what a weird, weird segment. [00:30:05] Speaker C: I will tell you the weirdest part about this is, was when disco's doing his dance on the corner, Malinko is just, like, entirely. No. Selling it. Yeah, he's not. He's not looking at him. He's not reacting to the music. He's just continuing to try and beat up Bobby Walker. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, exactly. He has a mission which hurt Bobby Walker. No. Amazing. And, like, I don't know if it was anyone but Disco. Maybe, maybe, maybe. But no, I can't. I can't get behind it. I can get behind Eddie Guerrero, though, in, like, you were talking. [00:30:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Someone who is solidly a face still. Eddie. [00:30:51] Speaker A: He'S. He's dressed like a Christmas sugar cookie and he is running down to that ring. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. He could be my Christmas sugar any day. [00:31:00] Speaker C: He had the Eddie Guerrero swagger I think I saw for the first time. Like, he actually kind of had it a little bit. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:05] Speaker B: And he's like. He's back. Like, he's very firmly, like, back. Because, like, they show that he got hurt, and that's why he has been gone. And that is highly unfortunate. [00:31:17] Speaker C: They. They did. They did mention he'd been at the best of Super Juniors. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yep, he has. [00:31:22] Speaker C: That is the true. The best of Super Juniors. Winner, Black Tiger. [00:31:27] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. Thank you very much. No, that's true. He got hurt at Unset K Faves and out. And then he came back. Well, also, you were at the best super juniors. Yeah. So, like, yeah, your way. He's back. I'm happy. Everyone else is very happy. This match banger qualities. And I just wrote down that Eddie spends five minutes climbing Barbarian up and down like a spider monkey. And that. That's good enough for me. I say, watch this, folks. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And then like, again, the real takeaway is that they're not really talking about the match. And then when they do the mean Gene interview afterwards, again, it all revolves around the outsiders because they're only talking to Eddie about like, oh, did you hear? These two guys are in the building. They're. They're somewhere. What do you think? He's like, I wish I was on the team that's going to take him down at bash the beach, but I'm not. So good luck to you guys. It's like, maybe they should have put a Guerrero on that team. [00:32:27] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I would have liked to have Eddie on that. Maybe more. Probably more than I'll be. I'm sorry. Hot dog man, we love you, but he's my good, good hot dog boy. He's bursting at the scene plumps when you took them, you know, he's wonderful. He's a himbo. [00:32:48] Speaker A: He's a himbo national hot dog. [00:32:50] Speaker C: That's a good one. [00:32:51] Speaker B: That is a good. Write that down. I got. I got dogs barking. I got cats trying to fight each other, folks. This apartment actively hates me being a podcaster. This match, though, does it is good. There's lots of good stuff. Barbarian hits a lamb on Eddie so hard it cracked back. If that was. If that wasn't enough, you get top rope, head belly to belly, stratosphere. Like, that's. [00:33:18] Speaker C: That was insane. That's what I got so high on that. Oh, my God. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Higher than me. And pretty much every day I got. Not saying that the times are tough, folks, but yeah, like, check this out. Like, Eddie, they're both on. On one. And Eddie just bumping hard and high as he is. Want to do to finish it up though, this finish because, like, he set it up with that belly to belly and then he goes to try to throw him from the top again, but he just slips and Eddie falls right on top of him. Good for. And like, it looked painful. Like, it almost looks slipped. And I was like, you know, I love when you leave me. That's the best. But yeah, not a bad little five and a half minute. Eddie romance versus Barber. And then, yeah, sure enough, mean Gene again. They're being very, very consistent with. With Gene this week. He tell. Like you said. He tells him he wants Conan, and I say, let's go. Uh, this is really. It's. This feels like a setup. Like you said, this is a setup for the Bash at the beach episode. And, like, I'm liking everything they're writing, except for whatever I. Except for also. Yeah. Not to go backwards, but. But Taskmaster. I just don't know what. I guess. Well, going forward, because we're running into the. Benoit the next. Yeah, unfortunately, because. Well, and fortunately, because is Arne Anderson and. And Benoit. [00:34:59] Speaker C: So this feels so appropriate. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:35:03] Speaker C: Especially, like, what. During the Q A episode, we, like, talked about how awesome Art Anderson was for, like, 10 minutes. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah. As you should. And he. And this is like, they come out looking like. Like tag team champs. Like, they look good. They look like a cohesive team. They have Mongo behind them looking like a cheerleader. Like, honestly works like, he's just like Horseman out all black, like, steampunk Horseman. The little glasses. He's got, like. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:37] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:35:38] Speaker C: He's got the ring. [00:35:39] Speaker A: He's got the Wild, Wild west class. [00:35:41] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you. The wild, Wild west glasses that we all. Horsemen. Where were we? Yes. Horton. I'm kidding. But more importantly, I think, too, here comes Rock and Roll Express. So, like, yeah. Arn Anderson, Chris Benoit, Ricky Morton, and Robert Gibson. Okay. Yeah. [00:35:59] Speaker A: So there's so the. Yeah, I'm fine with this match, but it's crazy to me that you look at the Rock and Roll Express here and you're like, oh, Ricky Born. He looks. Looks like he's getting up there in. In age there. How old is he? And I looked it up. He is only 38 in that match. [00:36:19] Speaker C: God, I thought I was a rough 38. [00:36:21] Speaker B: No. But here, this is what I wrote down, too, because all I can think is they really have just always looked like that. [00:36:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker B: It'S the. It's the outrunner's gimmick. Irl. They are the youngest alive. [00:36:35] Speaker C: Like, they really are. [00:36:37] Speaker B: They've just. They've. They've been, like, 58 since 1978. And. And it's just. I don't know, man. It's wild. [00:36:48] Speaker A: I mean, it's also just like wrestlers during that period from, like, the 70s, 80s and 90s are just like, they lived a hard. Their 20s and 30s were rough. [00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah. They're born 40. Yeah. Like, they did. [00:37:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, why is Arne Anderson, like, like, 26 in this. In this episode? [00:37:11] Speaker C: Aaron has Always been somebody's uncle. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:37:17] Speaker B: But yeah. We come back from a commercial break right in the middle of Bobby, who is now five, because it's our two. Of course, we went to hour two and kicked him out. He's ranting about the outsiders in the third band. And Benoit and Ricky Morton are just doing thing. A little thing telling us that there was technical difficulties and we missed coming up. It's like there was no welcome back. So this was technically a broken episode of Nitro. At least the one I watched. I don't know about you. [00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah, they had the same thing. [00:37:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:51] Speaker B: That's unfortunate because in my opinion, this match cooked. It reminded me that Rock just pretty haircuts, like, damn. Like, they could go again. I think there was. That was another, like, people doing moonsaults that weren't expecting to do moonsaults. Like Ricky Morton does like basically a standing backflip at one point. [00:38:13] Speaker A: I mean, he's still like. He's still taking big, big, big dives. [00:38:17] Speaker B: He's gotta stop. Can he stop? Can we get him to stop? Did we ask? [00:38:21] Speaker A: No, no. Nobody asked him. [00:38:23] Speaker B: Tony. Tony Khan. Please stop. Ask him. [00:38:25] Speaker C: I don't think Tony Khan's gonna get him to stop. [00:38:28] Speaker A: No. I think Tony Khan wants him to. [00:38:29] Speaker C: Continue as I keep doing flips. Rick. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:32] Speaker B: Can you do it onto a table? Onto a chair? [00:38:35] Speaker C: Rick, can we do a pile driver on you? On the chair? [00:38:38] Speaker B: Can I hit you with the chair? It's just my childhood dream to hit you with the chair. Oh, my God. No, let's do it. I mean, we saw what he did with Sting. Well, Sting wanted that. Oh, my God. I'll never forget. It's been. It's. Hey, it's. Folks. I know I get repetitive. It's been a while since we talked about sticks last man. Holy. No. [00:39:01] Speaker A: It was quite a way to go out. [00:39:02] Speaker B: Was that. Yeah, right. How are you gonna be in your. [00:39:07] Speaker A: Better retirement match the most. I'll give him that. [00:39:10] Speaker B: Like. [00:39:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I love how he is like, you know what? I. I know this is. I know I've technically already retired like, what, two, three times, but I'm not gonna Terry Funk this. Like. Like, I'm gonna get it all out in one. Like, this was the actual real. Anything you want to see me do to my old ass body, I'm going to do tonight. And then you can never ask me for anything ever again. Way to do it. I wish Ricky would, but. Yeah. Speaking of finishes, after nine minutes of a really solid old school tag team wrestling match, Ricky Morton's got Arn in the corner which draws the ref's attention. And we get another, which is a little. Not gonna lie, I'm getting a little, a little sick and tired of this nitro hits. Hits the other expressor whose name I can't think of right now because cannabis in the face with a Halliburton suitcase. Yay. Yay. [00:40:12] Speaker C: He gave him a good crack with that. [00:40:14] Speaker B: He really do. I don't think Mago holds back on them swings at all. Why wouldn't. [00:40:20] Speaker C: At the very least it made a good sound. [00:40:22] Speaker B: It do it very much do. On the way to commercial. At one point I forgot to mention this and I want to make sure I do because like we talked about the switch to hour two, Tony intros Bobby, but just kind of runs on into the commercial. And right after, about to go, Bobby cuts in. When do I get to. [00:40:43] Speaker A: What do I get to see? [00:40:45] Speaker B: In a minute, don't worry. [00:40:48] Speaker A: Also, we forgot a major, a major piece of our one. Oh, yeah, the, the promo for Glacier that aired during the commercial break. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Oh, which one? The first one or the one? Oh, they're both. [00:41:03] Speaker C: There was one. Yeah. [00:41:07] Speaker B: Damn it. [00:41:08] Speaker A: That's how important each hour gets one. But they are the same commercial though. They are the same problem. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:14] Speaker A: It'S, it's. They, they stole the Stargate from SG1 and then they were. The blood. Blood will run cold. [00:41:23] Speaker C: Like blood runs cold. [00:41:25] Speaker B: Blood runs cold. [00:41:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Blood runs cold. And whatever money. They pumped all the money into these graphics for this ad because I don't know about the ver. Like I, I think we were all watching the same version. Like the visual, like film quality, like the digital film quality of this Glacier ad was like, it was like the master, like someone took a master tape of something and like this was the quality. It was insane. And then it just says like glacier coming July 1996 to BCW, which, spoiler alert, he's not. It's already been a long time coming. They've been doing this thing. Glacier has been coming since April, which he should really see a doctor about that. But regardless. Yeah. [00:42:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:42:14] Speaker B: After four hours, you should have called a Dr. Glacier. [00:42:18] Speaker A: Good doctor. Oh, Dr. Glacier is a good gimmick. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Dr. Glaze. There we go. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Give you some cold compress like from Icy Hot. [00:42:30] Speaker B: I feel, I feel Vince McMahon reaching through the ether to take that for something like, I'm in space. [00:42:40] Speaker A: But, but the real thing, I, I, oh, I cannot square wave. Glacier is like, okay, you want to do this Mortal Kombat esque gimmick Fine. You want to get it? You want to get a white dude to do karate? Okay, fine. But the guy you get is like the most Johnny Unit ass looking guy, right? Like, like Buzz cut. Like he just, he looks like he just picked him off a cornfield. Like you. Like this is not the guy you get. And I get that. He actually did apparently study karate. Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Martial artist, like. [00:43:13] Speaker A: Yeah, he was a real martial artist. And you know what, when you actually watch a glacier mat, like, those kicks do impress. Like, he does good kicks. [00:43:21] Speaker B: Real good. [00:43:22] Speaker A: He kicked real good in that asbestos snow. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yes. Rating from the ceiling. Yes. [00:43:30] Speaker C: So it was Glacier cruiserweight or did he do heavyweight? [00:43:36] Speaker A: He kind of like did a little of everything. They just kind of slide him in. [00:43:39] Speaker C: Because, yeah, like he, he feels like he would be fit well in the cruiserweight division like and all. [00:43:46] Speaker B: But then I feel like more than anything, he mostly just fights canyon in the. [00:43:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he fights Raph. Yeah, he fights Canyon. And then eventually he sells his gear to cast Hayashi. And then Kaz Hayashi starts wearing the Glacier gear and that's when he becomes. That's when the original Glacier becomes what? Coach Buzz Stern. [00:44:08] Speaker B: Oh, my God. And then he brought it back, though. I just saw him on. He'll ride in that Glacier gimmick. He must have bought it back. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Hey guys, can I have my year? [00:44:18] Speaker C: He did it in chicara in the 2000s. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:44:23] Speaker C: I vaguely remember him having like a run in with what's his name? Norman Smiley. No, not in Chick. I forget what, what he was in. He was at King of Trios for Chikara. But like at like it'll be in like the end of days WCW stuff. Like they'll be like trying to bring back Glacier to help him not get beat up all the time. [00:44:46] Speaker A: I was gonna say, I hope there's like a. There's like a glacier. There's like a glacier Eddie Kingston match out there somewhere. Like a Glacier sweet and sour Larry Sweeney match. [00:44:55] Speaker C: I think he teamed with the Ice Cream Dreams because that's how they would book Glacier and Chikara. [00:45:01] Speaker A: Of course they would. [00:45:02] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense. Oh no. I kind of want an Eddie Kingston versus Glacier match now. What does that say about me? Anyways, Exposition corner with me and Gene again, this time in the locker room with Rick and the girls. Flair talks his usual. He woo so much he gets literally winded at one point. [00:45:27] Speaker A: And they do show his VIP section, which he is not at. [00:45:30] Speaker B: Yes, because he's scared. [00:45:31] Speaker C: Yeah, he's in a secure location. I think that's why he ran out of air. Wooing. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's in his. He's in his bunker. He's in the woo. Bunker. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Like. [00:45:39] Speaker C: Yeah, he ran out of oxygen. Wooing. He just wooed too much and ran out of air in there. [00:45:43] Speaker A: Really, if we're being on it. If we're being. If we're being really honest. He's in the ladies room. [00:45:48] Speaker C: That's what Kevin Sullivan was trying to get in. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Yep, exactly. He's trying to get the woman. Yeah. He's like, you got my wife. It's terrible. Yeah. It's weird. It's classic. It's classy. It's Flair. We come back from commercial of after that. A whole lot else goes on in that one. Like, folks, it's. It's Ric Flair talking to Gene with the girls. Do I have to say much else? The other Horsemen show up. Everyone says things. They. Whatever. Everyone who's not a horseman. We come back from commercial. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Guy from. Guy from the Carolina Panthers. [00:46:27] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah. We. Bobby and Bobby and Tony are talking outsiders. Third man and that go get terrified. And I say, yes, yes. Think about it, Bobby. Whose side is he on? I am so ready. We. We have not quite got Carolina Panthers guy first. Diamond Dallas Page has to fight Das Wundiki. [00:46:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:54] Speaker B: And hoping to take the dynamite diamond ring off of them. I will be calling it that from here on out. I don't care. That's where you got it from. That's what it is to me. Dallas is pink and shiny. He's getting lots. I think, folks, like, I think a DDP is like, he's here. Yeah. [00:47:15] Speaker C: That's what. That was my big note for this match. He's like, this is ddp. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah. All right. So it wasn't just me. This is ddp, guys. We've been talking about it. He's finally put it together. He's got. He's chopping cigar. He doesn't give a. Like, it's. It's fantastic. The story of the match itself. The DDP is overconfident. And Alex Wright's really good. What do you want? Like that Alex Wright sell good. Tiny twink boy bounce off knee. Like he's just a little guy. He go flying in air. That's like whole match. It's just for four minutes of that. And I'm okay with it. [00:47:59] Speaker A: Very much. He's Das Wonder Twink. He is just there to. He's there to be the designated twink for the episode. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. He's DDPs. Throwing. Twink is what he is. And he's. [00:48:13] Speaker A: He's the Twinkies, the twinkle. He's the Lugs. Twink of the week. God damn it. [00:48:20] Speaker C: He really is. He really is. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Ready, Matt? That's the title. Holy Vin. Oh, my God. I feel like I should pay you for that one. Like, that's. Oh, wow. Yo, he is he. And he's doing it. He's playing that role. It's a short match, but it's sweet. There's Twink throwing. It's ddp. Twink throwing finishes easy. Alex tries to reverse out of another gut buster and gets cuttered for his trouble. This is. [00:48:57] Speaker A: And the crowd's into him. This is like the first time in the episode where the crowd is like, vehemently, like, we're in on this DDP guy. Like, they're throwing up the diamonds. Like, unless Carolina is just big Jay Z country. Like, they are. Really. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all about Ric Flair and the Rock. Yeah, exactly. No, it's not. No, it's not. Rockefeller. The central. It. That is amazing, though. And you are right. I didn't even think to write that down, but you are correct. Like, that is the first time that I've seen people, like, throwing the hands up. Like, it's. It's. Yeah. And also watching it the way I did not wink means getting the original sound and self. High five. Jimmy Hart was really cooking like. Like that. Like, that's a real solid Nirvana pastiche that really did a lot of work for DDP that. That theme song ruled. And yeah, all in all, it's great. I did like that. After the. At the finish of the cutter, Bobby says, go to your room, kid. It's over. And I was like, yeah, that. That. That raps. That wraps it up. Nice little bow, Bobby. [00:50:23] Speaker C: They were really trying to get the diamond cutter over hard at this point. [00:50:26] Speaker B: It's working for me, I tell you that much. And they never stop, as far as I could tell. Like that. That's. That's become one of those. That was one of those moves, like the pedigree. You don't kick out of that. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Oh, and you know, they got it over because he. He hits the diamond cutter and then like hot dogs for like a good five seconds before going over to pin him. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Yep, yep. I'm in no rush. This guy is not getting up. Yeah, exactly. It's all over. Go to your room, kid. Well said, Bobby. Gene decides he's got to talk. Talk to DDP about all this mess. He. He Threatens Dallas with Jim Duggan. And I'm like, that's. [00:51:09] Speaker A: He just shits on Jim Duggan the whole time. He's like, jim Duggan wants to tape his hands. He can tape his hand. He wants to to tape his mouth. He wants to tape his whole body. He could tape his whole body. [00:51:19] Speaker B: What was, what was his mind's grandma's like some tape fisted bimbo. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:51:28] Speaker B: Holy. [00:51:29] Speaker C: It's like nice callback actually. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Actually, yeah, you remembered the story about his grandma being an Irish tape fist fighter. That's a hell of a callback, folks. Patreon.com. [00:51:45] Speaker C: DDP watches the show. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:48] Speaker C: Or he watches. Or he watches Saturday night. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he watches Saturday night because he saw him go to Ireland. That looked a lot like Boston. It was wild. [00:51:58] Speaker A: He's the Patriots. [00:52:00] Speaker B: And then. Yeah, right. But then we get the second blood run cold teach teaser. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yes. [00:52:06] Speaker B: In each of us burns the fury of a warrior. God damn it. [00:52:10] Speaker C: I really thought it was an ad for Stargate at some first time I saw it. [00:52:14] Speaker A: That's what I was saying. Like I saw that for like a second. [00:52:18] Speaker C: Right? It is the Stargate. I was like, whoa, we got a Stargate on this, this stream that I'm watching. Oh, oh, it's Glacier. Yeah. [00:52:26] Speaker A: It was like at first I was like, oh, I didn't know SG1 started in 96. [00:52:30] Speaker B: I was like, oh, wait, no glitches came out. Yeah, no good. But it's. It's just glacier. It's just Glacier. He'll be here soon. No, he won't. We come back. And now Gene is talking to Kevin Green who is still here for some reason. Yeah, yeah. And there is in fact a history of dudes pro wrestling on the off season of the NFL. That's like a thing that was like common and I guess Kevin wants to bring that back. [00:53:00] Speaker A: But it, but it rings very hollow because like the audience doesn't know that. So all they know is this guy just came out and is like, I was in a feud of Mongo, but I'd love to beat his ass right now, but I got like 12 weeks of football to deal with, so. Bye. Maybe in the off season I was like, well, who cares then? Like you'll be back in the spring. [00:53:20] Speaker C: Like at the very least he was like a hometown player. And I think, yeah, I did do a journalism. I looked him up. He was like signed as a free agent to Carolina that summer for their second season. I guess people were excited for him. [00:53:36] Speaker B: Well, that's part of also why he was there. To begin with because Blair loves football. [00:53:41] Speaker A: In Carolinas, it would be like, well, I gotta go to mandatory mini camp. I'll be. I'll be back in, like, 20 weeks maybe. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Like. But the way he puts it, too, is, well, when the season's done, I'm gonna kill Mongo dead with a rifle. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:54] Speaker A: That was the weirdest. I got my scopes on him. I'm gonna shoot him dead. I'm like, okay, calm down. [00:53:59] Speaker B: Violence. Yeah. All right, man. See, after the off season. Yeah. Like, what the. [00:54:06] Speaker A: Steele's Cool. Burger King glasses. I need them. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah, right? [00:54:11] Speaker A: Oh, why was Burger King selling glasses? Because they did it for that. And also, well, ironically, never Will Smith Ben in black. [00:54:20] Speaker B: They did. They did do that, didn't they? [00:54:22] Speaker C: Burger King always had stuff like that, from what I remember. Like, I remember they used to watches. Yeah. I remember the. The Nightmare Before Christmas watches. [00:54:30] Speaker A: And, yes, I did. The Lost World, Jurassic park watches. [00:54:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, that's back when, like, you could get kind of cool stuff from fast food restaurants. Like, you get. You go to McDonald's and get a glass with lead paint on it. [00:54:44] Speaker A: I was just talking to someone the other day about, like, the coolest fast food toy ever that was wasted on, like, the worst property was. Do you remember when the Inspector Gadget movie came out? [00:54:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:57] Speaker A: And I love. I love the Inspector Gadget cartoon. I'm talking strictly about that stupid Matthew Broderick movie. And they made it made so that, like, if you got all the toys from McDonald's, you could put them together and make, like, a fully formed, like, Inspector Gadget, like, Voltron, like, action figure. But it was just. But it was just Matthew Bright. It was a Matthew Broderick figure. It was like, I want Don Adams. I want. I want the real Inspector Gadget. I don't want this jamoke. Like, I don't want Dr. Papalopoulos or whatever his name was from Godzilla. Like, doctor. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Oh, no, no. I wanted. I want other Matthew Broderick characters in Transformer form. In Burger King. I want him. Him playing the God, the graham cracker guy tried to get people to stop jerking off with wheat cereal. Like, they played that guy. [00:55:55] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. They should put that guy in a hat. [00:55:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Matthew brought her from Election. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Like, yeah, bring back. [00:56:04] Speaker C: Yeah, Kellogg. Yeah, that was. Anthony Hopkins was the guy who's trying to make people stop jacking off. Matthew Broderick was just jacking off. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he was one of the guys jacking off. I forget. Forgot. It's been a while since I've seen that movie. [00:56:19] Speaker C: I hate how many times I've seen that movie. Thanks, Comedy Central. [00:56:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say they played it on TV all the time on Comedy Central. Ah. And it would show up in between my Mystery Science theaters. No one like that. But, yeah. No, it was this. Speaking of no one liking that Kevin Green sticks around because it's Randy Savage versus BK Wall street time, and, like, Macho has to have Kevin Green with him. I guess. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. This is. This was weird. This is like a surprisingly, like, underwhelming match. [00:56:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I was a little saddened by how underwhelming this was. [00:56:58] Speaker A: You know, it is. Because I think, like, you see Macho come out and you're thinking, like, okay, this is gonna be like a main event. Like, Macho's here. Like, this is gonna be great. But then it was almost like, okay, this is almost like a not a piss break match, but, like, it was like, we're cooling things down for a couple minutes before we get to the big weird three way. I don't. Can we just jump past this? [00:57:21] Speaker C: Yeah, there's not really much to say about this. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Solid minutes. It's over. Macho hits the elbow for three. Yeah. [00:57:30] Speaker A: Like, because I want to talk about. Is there anything else, like, before we. Before the final match, or was that. [00:57:35] Speaker C: Well, I want to shout out Tony Schiavone and Bobby Heening agreeing that they should beat up Gene Okerlin after the show. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yes. That's always looking good. I had that. [00:57:44] Speaker C: So, like, just confirming that. Yeah, it's true. Tony Schiavone has always been a stare. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:50] Speaker B: Always down to clown. Yeah. So. [00:57:53] Speaker A: So we're at the main event, and I'm very confused because this match is for the tag team titles. It's Stinging Luger. It's the Steiners. It's Harlem Heat. Okay, I got that. It's a triangle match, but that. But it's like, they make this whole. To do about, like, well, if they're not in the ring, like, they could lose and not even enter the ring. But, like, so only two teams can be. So, like, only. I didn't really quite understand the rules. So, like, only two teams can be in at once. [00:58:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:58:26] Speaker A: So, okay. Okay, at once then. Like, why would you ever tag, like, the third team in? [00:58:33] Speaker C: That's what I said when Steiner tagged out the Sting. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Why would you do that? [00:58:38] Speaker C: Why did you do that? You were winning. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Yeah. They have the belts. Why would anyone ever tag in? I. I, like, the only thing I come up with is maybe it's one of those things, like the, like, the logic that they have is you're about to lose. Like, you're right there on the brink of losing. So you're so desperate, you're like, I got to take a break. I'm going to let this team jump in. [00:58:59] Speaker C: Right. Or usually when you see it, you try and keep your opponent out of the other team's corner so that they can't tag themselves in that way. But it's, but then, like, also, it's. [00:59:10] Speaker A: A tag match, so, like, if you're tired, like, you just tag your partner in. [00:59:14] Speaker C: Right. Like, I, I, I never really like the psychology of matches like this when they do it. It doesn't, I, like, I. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Like a triangle tag match is okay, but I can't see why you would do it for a championship or any, anything with real stakes. Because of everything you just said. If it has real stakes, then it's like, it doesn't make sense. Like, doing it as a match is cool, like a triangle, you know, because then you just get like, triangle match between singles. That's good, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. [00:59:45] Speaker A: And then, because one team has to be on, like. And then because, like, one T. I don't even know if they had to do it this way, but the Steiners were, like, blocking the hard cam, so you couldn't even see half the match because they're on the front side of the camera. [01:00:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I think they just weren't paying that much attention. It was kind of a cluster. I like the intros, though. The intros were fun. Everyone came out real good. Harlem. He comes out. Booker T's on a cell phone call. Bobby says he's ordering pizza, followed by the Steiners. And then Rick appears to get spooked by his own pyro. And that reminds me, 4th of July is coming up, folks, so please think of the other dogs in your neighborhood. Like, like puppy boys, like Rick Steiner. And, yeah, get scared by the fireworks. [01:00:31] Speaker C: Get him, get him a thundershirt. [01:00:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker C: Very, very large thundershirt for Lex, and he'll be fine. [01:00:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Rick Steiner needs to, needs to feel like he's being hugged. Otherwise he's gonna. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. He's gonna freak. [01:00:44] Speaker A: He's gonna go crazy. [01:00:47] Speaker B: And then finally, a man called Sergeant and Stingers. Lonely Hearts Club Band. [01:00:51] Speaker C: Oh, that jacket. [01:00:53] Speaker B: That jacket is something else. The pink and the black and the Ooh. He doesn't bring it out often, and when he does, it seems to be for no reason that I can think Of. [01:01:03] Speaker A: No. [01:01:06] Speaker B: Just totally at random. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I'm just gonna say so. They're so they're having this big cluster and then like again, they're talking the whole time about all these guys are here, what's going on? And then it finally happens. They come down hall Nash come down from the rafters. Not the rafters. I mean, it's not like they're flying down. They're walking down from the stands and they've got baseball bats. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Yeah, they came down from the stand. Yeah, they had them. They acted like they're. Those bats were like gonna. [01:01:36] Speaker A: They acted like the bats were guns. They were like, yeah, the bats. The aluminum bats. They got the aluminum bats. Like, okay, they're aluminum bats. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Like, well, it's just the security. [01:01:46] Speaker A: You. Okay. But then my favorite part of the whole episode, security rushes in and they make it. They make it a point to show that like, these guys are all reaching for their real ass gun. [01:01:58] Speaker B: No, right? Like, no. [01:02:00] Speaker C: What the. [01:02:00] Speaker A: Like, two guys, like, okay, two guys have quote invaded with baseball bats and you're gonna like shoot them. [01:02:09] Speaker C: These are supposed to be like sheriffs deputies. They all had their hands on their guns. Like, are you serious right now? [01:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:18] Speaker C: One of these guys is going to think this is real and just shoot them. [01:02:22] Speaker A: Yeah. There's no KFA bullets. [01:02:23] Speaker B: Like, yeah, but what's crazy about this? Before it even gets there, because that's after the match is over. Do they start reaching for the actual guns? But first and foremost, what's wilder to me than that? You get this match. The match is fun. It's like 10 minutes. It's, you know, we skipped over 10 minutes of a good solid meat throwing match. Because, yeah, this match is fun. Be ashamed if something were to happen to it. And here comes Kevin Scott with the bats. Now the ring floods with pigs and security guards, right? But the match doesn't end. No TV Ray rolls Luger up for the win. We have new tag team champs and nobody cares. [01:03:05] Speaker C: Nobody noticed. [01:03:06] Speaker B: No one even noticed. It happened. They had to tell us on commentary. [01:03:11] Speaker A: This moment right here where no one cared and then the titles changed is like the ultimate precursor to why the NWO would be like the Death Knell for W. Why it would be like a slow decline. Because that became everything. Because it tells you everything you need to know. Because the NWO cool, we need to see what the NWO is doing. Everything else we're training you to. To think it's just. It's like all mid card. Don't care about the tag titles. Like we're not giving you any reason. And they put themselves in such a hole because of that that they eventually went out of business. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Well, it's kind of the story. It becomes the story of the whole thing because they have to keep upping it because they just did. They just did it with the tag titles here. Who cares about the tag? Teeth House. But with that mental mentality, you end up with the finger poke of doom. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Which will get right, kids. [01:04:05] Speaker B: You end up with, God bless him, David Arquette and. And. And everything else. And it leads to the downfall. But this is. It's like that first. Like, the first time you ever got real high, like, on some real good weed. And it's like, you're never gonna actually get that high again. You'll get high, sure. You'll never be that high again in your entire life. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah, like. Like, don't let. Don't let some history buffs fool you. Like, Wolf Pack. NWO was hot. Like, the crowds were loving it. But was it as hot as, like, the first six months of the nwo? [01:04:46] Speaker B: No, this isn't even NWO yet. This is just them showing up with bats and everyone acting like they're gonna, like. Like open fire on the crowd and, like. Yeah, that's how you do it, I guess, you know? [01:05:01] Speaker C: Yeah. It really is the kind of thing where you get what they were going for. [01:05:05] Speaker A: Yeah, true. [01:05:06] Speaker C: And then you just. And then, like, they just kept doing it. Kept doing it, kept doing it and. [01:05:11] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a way to go home. Tony says we're in a state of emergency on nitro. Like, everybody. [01:05:16] Speaker A: Bobby Heenan's like, I'm getting out of here. I'm leaving you behind. [01:05:19] Speaker B: I'm leaving. They're here to split wigs. Baseball. Baseball bats. [01:05:22] Speaker A: Mean. [01:05:22] Speaker B: You mean business, he says. Like, like, like, like. Like old gangster. Like Untouchables. Like, you know, like, they. They. We're sending one of theirs to the morgue. Yeah, Bobby, we get it. Like, you're on your own. No, I'm out of here. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Get out of here, kid. I'm splitting the hooch. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Tony, like, yeah, yeah, he's out. So that. That's nitro. What a nitrogen. It had its ups and downs. It had its disco inferno, but overall, that was a hell of a show. And I was on the edge of my seat through most of it. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I really liked it. [01:06:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:01] Speaker B: Hey, and that brings us right into raw, doesn't it? Hey, hey, cover me. I. I gotta get this out quick. Sicko. My co workers at the cafe stuck My phone into me so I can update y' all. Well, old guy got herself in a bit of a situation. A carceral conundrum, if you will. Turns out the law is enforced by a bunch of white supremacists in this city. Can't keep a free bird down, though. I've made plenty of friends in here. Even got a bit of a federation going to pass the time. [01:06:31] Speaker A: You know how you should pass the time? [01:06:33] Speaker B: You can give five star reviews of the podcast wherever you listen. And you know, check out patreon.com mnffpod and call. Get bonus episodes for $5 a month and your name on the show for only $7.50. Speaking of cash, it's hot as hell here this week, and some of my friends I've met have said that Sanctuary Supply Depot in Minneapolis is a life saving group that keeps unhoused people supplied the best they can during dangerous heat domes like this. You should check them out at their link tree Linktree Sanctuary Supply Depot and help out how we. You can. Oh, sounds like I'm up. Better get to strutting. All right. Whose ass am I dropping? [01:07:16] Speaker C: Raw. [01:07:18] Speaker B: No, it's live, pal. They're live this time. Isn't that great? There's no time for an intro because we're live in the Green Bay and Ahmed's got a squash triple Paul real quick. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I wish. [01:07:30] Speaker C: Oh, boy, I wish he squashed him. [01:07:32] Speaker B: That would have been better. [01:07:33] Speaker C: Yeah, way too long. [01:07:36] Speaker B: It really did. Ahmed's still wearing the gold IC belt from his victory last night. And honestly, I'm sad. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Changed it back. I really love the look of that belt. [01:07:44] Speaker A: The big. Yeah, the. The. The gingerbread. The gingerbread IC belt. [01:07:49] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, the gold on gold. And I'm like, yes, more of this. [01:07:53] Speaker A: But it's like you can really tell just like from the. From the rip on this Raw episode. The difference just in presentation, like nitro is, like, exciting in those lights and pyro and like, like, they do have these all. They have all these, like, dynamic but subtle, like, camera pans, like when they're coming back from commercial to show, like the big crowd. And again, like, the lighting sort of bouncing off the lens. Like they're doing all this cool. And then you cut over the raw. And again, like, the aesthetic is just like salt. Like a bad soft core porn. Like, it's just. It's smoky, it's dank. Like the set, it looks very, very cheap. It's just still like the big, raw letters of blue, like, screen inside the A and Again, the outfits, we'll get to the outfits, but like they all just look like dollar tree, like that someone sewed together. [01:08:48] Speaker B: But more importantly, you know, you say softcore porn and this, this man may have set the, the, the, the vibe. I get settled in to pay attention to these. These two learned talented athletes, students of the game, warriors of the squared circle, give us a clinic in the sweetest of sciences. Sweeter, dare I say, than boxing, sport of kings. Almost immediately, some bros stand up with a three panel long sign reading Eric B. Sucks dick. And yeah, comes to my eye because I love this sport. [01:09:25] Speaker A: I'm proud to be an American. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Just saluting it. Wow. [01:09:35] Speaker A: I pledge allegiance to suck dick. [01:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't help it. But when you like the thing though, then I noticed like I'm looking at it, the bee is super tiny. Right, right. [01:09:48] Speaker C: It just says Eric. I like, who are we talking about? [01:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't know it was a bee at first until I zoomed in. I was like, that's like Eric's sucker. [01:09:55] Speaker B: Thing tells me that obviously was added after the Eric was fully written. So my headcanon tells me that the dude's name is Eric and when he realizes what he has done. Get the pee on there. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Maybe he just wants everyone to know. Yeah, yeah. [01:10:13] Speaker B: Just yeah, yeah, maybe Eric was coming out. I should. We shouldn't take this from him, but. Oh my God. Yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird thing. And then to continue the softcore porn vibe of it all, about halfway through they decide the wrestling. All my homies hate wrestling. Let's talk to gold dust. So they go into the, the thing that they do even more than WCW where they go person in person interview in the middle of a match and. [01:10:40] Speaker A: I. Yeah, that. [01:10:44] Speaker C: Like you've made me mad to see a Goldust promo. [01:10:47] Speaker B: Exactly. That's. [01:10:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:49] Speaker B: Really? How dare you. Even Goldust is not happy he's there. He gives like the most mid Gold Dust promo we have heard yet. Like, honestly, he's. He's working with some material though. Like what are you gonna do if it's just get out there and be gay as hell and do a racism kid. My God, he really did. Yeah. Oh God. But the finish of this, almost like a mirror of how it was going for Paul only three months ago ago, triple Paul puts his head down for a back body drop. And instead he gets the Pearl river plunge for his trouble. Same setup is the pedigree too and everything. And that, that pleased me. I was like that. This is like what The. Oh, how the tables have turned, sir. Yeah. Not a whole. Not a. Not the greatest match. Not. [01:11:38] Speaker C: Not great. Not good. It really, like, it's Ahmed Johnson. Johnson should have just squashed him because he. He was really getting this gigantic push at the time. [01:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:47] Speaker C: And then he went out and had this stinker with Hunter where they weren't. [01:11:51] Speaker B: Even paying attention to him. And it's like the night after he won the title and, like, right. Like, yeah, they really. And everyone always says, like, no, we wanted to push him real hard and it just didn't work. I'm like, really? Did you really want to push him that hard? Because, like, you're doing this and like. [01:12:08] Speaker A: Yeah, you could have. You could have pushed them harder. [01:12:11] Speaker C: Like, the crowd was really into him. Like, that's the. That's like my takeaway from having seen him on this whole. [01:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:19] Speaker C: Okay, so, people, the crowd was like, very into Ahmed Johnson. [01:12:22] Speaker A: So I have a question about this crowd. So there's a. There's an. Maybe this is a big conspiracy theory, but at one point, Vince McMahon cuts a promo for Burger King. And that's when it kind of came together for me. Because the whole time before that, I was looking into the first row of this crowd. [01:12:38] Speaker B: Do you see the row of kings? [01:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah, there was like a row of people in king's hats. And like, up to that point, I was thinking, like, maybe there's some weird. I can't understand why, but, like, maybe they're weird. Like Jerry Lawler fan. I don't know what the. But they're all wearing crowns. And once he cut that Burger King promo, I was like, are they all wearing Burger King crowns? This is some weird, like, viral marketing. [01:13:02] Speaker B: Can I give you an alter? Can I give you an alternative? [01:13:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:06] Speaker B: I was born and raised in Wisconsin, unfortunately, and this is happening in Green Bay. There is a very high chance that those 18 to 22 year olds in that front row in those Burger King crowns were just plaster drunken. Had gone to Burger King earlier before the show. Like. Like, that was my. I didn't even think about the promo because I was like, no, that. That tracks. I saw that and I was like, that's just. That's home. Like, those guys like that. You'll just. You'll. [01:13:40] Speaker A: You'll see that regardless, they are all wearing Burger King crab. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Yeah. No. [01:13:45] Speaker C: Yes, they definitely are. 100. [01:13:47] Speaker B: I'm saying it could be organic is what I'm saying. [01:13:50] Speaker A: See, this is like the best thing on the show. Like this and the Eric suck dick sign like that, because it's all fucking. [01:14:00] Speaker B: Downhill from here again. Like, Doc Hendrick tries to interview Ahmed about being the first African American IC champ, and it's just not good. [01:14:09] Speaker A: And really didn't. Really. Didn't really launch. Failed to launch. Yeah. [01:14:12] Speaker B: He did try to declare himself the people's champion before Rocky did, which is kind of. [01:14:16] Speaker C: Yeah, well, he ain't too hard to find, so. [01:14:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:14:21] Speaker C: Ain't too far. Ain't too far to find. [01:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Ain't too far to find. And he is out of breath because he doesn't feel like he needs to do cardio. And that's fine. This near Do I. But that's why I'm not a wrestler. It's 1990s America. Everyone was colorblind. So he says some about green people. Yeah. The accidents of traffic lights were horrifying in the 90s, folks. You have no idea. It just goes downhill. Like, they really just. They're like, right off the bat, let's see how racist we can be. And then they're like, hold our beer years. Because if the racism wasn't enough for you, let's do the most transphobia. [01:15:05] Speaker A: Yeah. This was. [01:15:07] Speaker B: Everyone get ready. [01:15:08] Speaker A: This was not good. So you guys know how they're sunny. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:14] Speaker A: You guys like, funny. [01:15:15] Speaker B: This is the joke. Get the joke. [01:15:18] Speaker A: But what if we. What if we did sell someone? [01:15:21] Speaker B: Get. [01:15:21] Speaker A: Get this. They're not sunny. They're cloudy, and they're trans. [01:15:27] Speaker B: They got a dick. It's so funny because the dick. [01:15:31] Speaker C: Cloudy with a K. Cloudy with. [01:15:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Cloudy with. [01:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Cloudy with a chance of transphobia. Like, see, this was not good. This was. Yeah, no, go ahead. [01:15:43] Speaker C: I was. I just want to say, like, Garrick mentioned cloudy the night before. I watched this at the. We did the watch party for King of the Ring. I missed. I knew what was the body Donnas. Gary's like, oh, you missed Cloudy. I was like, I don't remember cloudy at all. I'm just not. And then I was really not prepared for that much. Like, especially because, like, they had to do the. They had to do the entire thing. Like, let's do the national search for the body Donna's new manager. Because everybody was be the body Donna. And they had to do all the body shaming in that, too. And then they go out and they're like. And check it out. It's the funniest thing possible. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, this could have been great. This could have been a. Well, this could have been a great bit in the right hands. Not the train, not the transphobic stuff. Told you about that. No, I'm not taking a hard. [01:16:34] Speaker B: You're on the wrong show. Yeah. [01:16:36] Speaker A: Not taking a hard right turnout, but, like, the idea of, okay, this manager left, so now we're going to do a cont. Like a worldwide contest for a new manager. Like, that could have been amazing. [01:16:49] Speaker C: That could have been awesome. [01:16:50] Speaker A: Had a new start. You could have made a new star, possibly, like. But instead you were just like, ah, that's a bait and switch. We're gonna dress a man up like a lady. And then like, I think Cloudy only had three appearances. And good that they only had three appearances. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah. This is number two. So we got one more to deal with at some point. I don't want to jump over what you mentioned with the. The search, because these men. Remember that picture of Ben Shapiro doing the Matrix cosplay with the katana? [01:17:23] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [01:17:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:17:25] Speaker B: This is like, if all. If that came to life and sent videos of himself trying to be like the news Sonny. [01:17:33] Speaker C: Those. Those videos were why I remind myself that I did not actually try and become a professional wrestler. Because I look like a dick whenever I did something like that. [01:17:41] Speaker B: When would they. These young men willfully sent physical videotapes of themselves doing this. [01:17:50] Speaker A: Okay. You could only get, like. Yeah. Only to get roasted by Jerry Law. [01:17:56] Speaker B: Yeah. And like, you know, that's what was gonna happen. [01:18:00] Speaker C: That's insult to injury right there. [01:18:02] Speaker A: Yeah. He was doing all the low hanging fruit. He's like, that girl's too skinny. That girl's too fat. Like, it's like, okay, Jerry, all of this is bad. [01:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah, all. All of this is terrible. And then it's just. I don't. I don't like it. I don't like any of this. I don't like. [01:18:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You. Jerry. Not Jerry Springer. Jerry Lawler. [01:18:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:25] Speaker C: Jerry Lawler. [01:18:27] Speaker B: Jerry Springer. [01:18:28] Speaker A: Jerry Springer for giving Jerry Seinfeld. [01:18:32] Speaker B: Seinfeld. God. Jerry Lynn. I think he said no. [01:18:37] Speaker A: He loved Jerry. [01:18:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:38] Speaker A: Or did he? [01:18:40] Speaker B: But we love Jerry Lynn. We do. We don't like Jimmy Shoulders, who is Chris Candido's friend who is playing Cloudy, because that's a thing I had to look up. [01:18:51] Speaker A: That's Jimmy Shoulders. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Jimmy Shoulders was. He was a. He's a wrestler. He's a actual pro wrestler who's an indie guy who's a friend of Candido, and he's doing very low effort. Sunny Drag is what I would call it. I think Sunny invented turfism in this episode, too. Like the way she's about her. [01:19:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:14] Speaker B: Specifically as a trans lady. I was like, I. I Know those lines. [01:19:21] Speaker C: This. [01:19:24] Speaker B: Sucked so much. [01:19:25] Speaker C: There has been bad matches on this. Watch through. But this was just like, I couldn't. [01:19:30] Speaker B: Even pay attention to the match. [01:19:32] Speaker C: Violet. Like, I was like, very violently, like, trying to, like, not punch my computer screen. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Yeah, he's referring to Cloudy as it. And I'm like, that's not her pronouns. God damn it. Lawler surprised me and he went for, like, a low hanging tattoo shaming joke on her, which I was like, that's actually, actually a relief. But yeah, it was. It was just a lot of. Of like. [01:19:56] Speaker A: And then they had her, like, climb into the crowd after Lawler. And like, the crowd is predictably like, like, oh, you. What are you doing? Yeah, like, this is not. [01:20:08] Speaker B: They tried to do. Yeah, they just tried to do, like, this. Look at this person who's trying to do an assault. Well, well, there was one point during, after the match when Cloudy comes up to the booth to go after Sunny. And there's a dude behind Sunny in the crowd who's just like, flexing at Cloudy. And I just wrote down Chaser. [01:20:33] Speaker C: There's always one. [01:20:34] Speaker B: There's always one. So, you know, Cloudy. There you go. It's just. Yeah, all this sucks. So now for something entirely different. Marty Jannetti is. Is. Is fighting Sean next week. So here's a video package about how sad he is and Sean rules. And I'm just like, Marty's leaving, isn't he? [01:20:54] Speaker C: Marty there is watching this video every. It really did dawn to me that the whole, like, oh, who's the Michaels? Who's the Janetti of this tag team? Is entirely Vince's creation. [01:21:08] Speaker B: Yes. No, he did it on purpose. [01:21:10] Speaker A: Like, he could. Like, they could have made two stars. [01:21:13] Speaker C: Right? [01:21:14] Speaker B: Like, he just didn't want to. [01:21:16] Speaker C: Like, people think Genetti sucks because he was a bad wrestler. No, he sucks because he got ran down for like, five years after Sean beat him up. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah. No, he sucks because you were told to hate him. [01:21:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, all these guys, like Vince Trump, like, they all try and, like, pit people against each other. So it's like you could hold back and do the smart thing and make two stars, but in their mind, it's almost like, oh, well. It's much more entertaining for me if I pit them against each other and one comes out, like, the strongest. It's like, that's not. That's not how you should do it. [01:21:51] Speaker B: And everything we hear about is that, like, well, Genetti that up. I'm like, I don't know. I'm watching this. Like, we've Been what? We've been doing this show over a year now, and, like, Jetty Janetti is consistently a good hand and like. Like, really good. Like, Like, I haven't seen him have a really bad match yet. [01:22:08] Speaker A: No, but to. But to be fair, like, his personal life is very. [01:22:14] Speaker B: Is. Yeah, and that's. [01:22:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:16] Speaker B: Yeah. No, and he is, like, there is all. All of that of it, too, but, like. [01:22:20] Speaker A: But there is the fact of, like, would he have gotten cleaned up if they. If he ended up being a bigger star? [01:22:26] Speaker C: Especially considering how much of a mess Michaels was in this era. [01:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:31] Speaker C: And he continually got chance after chance after. [01:22:34] Speaker B: And. And in the meantime, you have this video package of, like, look at this sad sack of like. Like, it's like they're. Yeah. No, I just. I've come around on the fact that, like, this was on purpose. This was like, this was done to Marty Janetti on purpose. I'm sure his personal did not help, like, at all, but this was. Yeah, they did that to him. Like. Like, he didn't come. He couldn't come back from that because they didn't want him to come back from that. And I've been watching enough of it to feel like. I don't know, because I've been watching them kind of just continue to not know what to do with him and not know what to do with him. It's not because he's not good. It's because you don't know how to book him. And, like, it became, like, instead. Instead of admitting that I don't know how to book him, I'm gonna convince all of you that he just has always sucked is basically what he did instead. Yeah, like you said, it's the Trump. It's the Vince of it all. It's just. It's. It's gaslighting. It's what they did. [01:23:32] Speaker A: But maybe. But maybe after this promo, though, of something really good. [01:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you think? Yeah, you think maybe there'll be something super awesome. Cornette replaces Sonny on commentary. [01:23:45] Speaker C: Cornette takes the cup there. [01:23:47] Speaker A: One starlet for another. [01:23:49] Speaker B: I find myself wondering if I could get a rude canal instead. You know, like, is. God damn it. It's. Yeah. So we get the Trios match that they. It's funny because we get a trios match and we got a triangle match as the main event last time on Nitro. And I wonder if they coordinated, but it's. What did I write here? Camp Cornet versus the House faces. It's like, what we got here. We get, like, a minute of Barry Horowitz versus Owen Hart, though. And I'm the kind of sickle that wants that entire match, like, you know, let's give it to him. Like. Like, give those guys more than a minute. [01:24:32] Speaker C: This match woke me up a little bit, I'm not gonna lie. [01:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's not bad. Everyone in here is pretty solid. And also Alva Montoya is there, and I. I kid. I kid. He had a couple really pretty drop kicks I was, like, giving. Just incredible. I can't help it. Yeah. But it was not bad. I will say the best bit, though. Like, my favorite part was the finish was amazing because you got Bulldog throws Aldo into the corner, then he throws Vader into Aldo, then he catches him and does a running power slam. And then instead of pinning him, which I thought he was gonna do, he takes Owen in, and Owen does, like, the jump up and. And down. [01:25:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I get to beat him. [01:25:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:25:22] Speaker B: Throws the sharpshooter out of for the win, and I'm just, like, exquisite. Do it again. I. I like. You could end three to four more trios matches exactly like that. Not pop every time. [01:25:33] Speaker A: What actual entertainment on this wasteland of a show. [01:25:37] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Like, this is. This is actual the, like, humor and thought, like, went into this, like, oh, oh. Owen came up with this in the back. I bet, like, there's effort here. There's amazing. [01:25:51] Speaker C: Easily imagine the show. [01:25:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Just for the finish, even. I mean, when we see what the main event's about to be. Yeah. I'm. I'm sad because this. Yeah, well, we. We go to commercial with Pill as Pillman is crutching himself out to Vince ringside. There's a quick. I don't know what to call this. It's not a promo. It's a. It's a commercial. It's an 8 commercial for ultimate Warrior, I think. [01:26:22] Speaker A: Oh, the Ultimate Warrior School district. [01:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like. It's like, if you believe in the Ultimate Warrior, you too, can do the impossible. And then it's like this kid who is in a wheelchair who was bench pressing, and it's like the fact that you're calling that the impossible possible makes me feel bad. [01:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I feel like you're doing the, like, Bears. [01:26:45] Speaker C: I think you're straight up 90s. [01:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like a handy, capable thing, like, straight up 90s. [01:26:52] Speaker C: It's like, look, we're patting. Let's pat ourselves on the back for showing that people in wheelchairs can do things. [01:26:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm just like, the Fact that you're doing that is actually gross, though, is. Do you not see how that's worked? [01:27:05] Speaker C: Worse. [01:27:05] Speaker B: Like, what you're doing is worse. [01:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah, they're people too. It's like. No, they are like. Like, yeah. [01:27:14] Speaker C: Bet you thought this guy could walk. Well, guess what? [01:27:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like at the Warrior Academy, we. You can. [01:27:23] Speaker C: Like, even. Even in the 90s, it would have been just like, I. I assume that a guy in a wheelchair that's that muscular could probably do that. [01:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [01:27:31] Speaker C: Like, what are we doing? Am I supposed to be impressed? [01:27:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of up that you're just assuming a guy in a wheelchair is, like, it's like, not human. Like, that's. And again, maybe it's because I know it's Vince and I know it's Warrior and I know who they are, but, like, I've tried to put myself back to that place in the 90s and I'm just like, I don't know. Even then I'm confused. Like, what am I supposed to get from this? I don't. I don't know. Warrior. Gross. Amazing. But what's actually amazing, though, Pillman here, he's on fire. He says he's out on his crutches. Like, I've been here a week. Where's my goddamn money? [01:28:14] Speaker C: Damn straight. Pay that. [01:28:18] Speaker B: Yes, pay him, Vince. Vince says, all due respect, you gotta get in the ring first bell. And, like, he just mugs Vince hard, like he doesn't even finish talking. Just you. And, like, Vince apologizes for Pillman's badass language. Oh, no, but I want that. Like, I want that. I want them to just keep doing that. Can you please just come out? Go. Pay me every week. [01:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:49] Speaker B: Oh, this was. [01:28:50] Speaker C: This was them starting to peel back the curtain, wasn't it? Because, like, nobody knows Vince. Is the guy actually writing the checks. [01:28:58] Speaker B: Kinda. They've. They've touched on it a little bit, but it's been so long. That's the thing. They weren't like, hit me in the face with it every week because, like, Diesel, what, like, seven months ago, kind of let slip. Well, I know you're the one who's booking and blah, blah, blah. And he tried to be like, oh, we're talking about. And yeah, so, like, they've been bending it a little bit. I just love the audacity of him being there a week. Clearly he hasn't wrestled because he's on crutches and going, pay me that, God damn it. That's so good. I love Paul. I. I Love Pillman. Pillman is like I said last time. When he first showed up last week, this is the first I've seen him actually showing up because when I started watching he was already heart foundation. So like that I never saw this transition and it's exquisite. He really pulled it off. [01:29:54] Speaker C: Good transition, Brian. [01:29:56] Speaker B: Yeah, good transition. [01:29:57] Speaker C: Congratulations. Congratulations. [01:29:59] Speaker B: Well done. Maybe it could have saved her. Main event. I wrote here Undertaker versus Stone Cold, like randomly on a Monday night. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought I missed something. [01:30:15] Speaker C: I was like, yes, I guess like, because take Taker lost. Austin won kinda. No, I mean, no, I mean like the night before. The night before. [01:30:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:30:28] Speaker C: So like this is like main event guy that just got beat versus the hot new. Well, I guess not hot new deal. Yeah, not quite yet, but like, but. [01:30:38] Speaker A: It'S all, it's all a vehicle for, for gold dust. [01:30:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:41] Speaker C: Yes. [01:30:42] Speaker A: Which was. [01:30:44] Speaker B: Okay. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Which I, I'm into, but I'm. I can't imagine. [01:30:48] Speaker B: Theoretically. [01:30:49] Speaker C: Theoretically, theoretically, I'm into Gold dust, but. [01:30:51] Speaker B: I just, I get, I get angry at Vince doing this over and over where he's like, here's some wrestling now. It's not about the rest making it about anything other than the thing in front of us. And it, I just this, it was really stark for me here because like the fact that we're looking at. It's the Undertaker and Stone Cold, like, this is like, whoa. But it's not, because it's, it's early in, in June of 1996. So it's not yet. [01:31:22] Speaker C: So we gotta have Jerry Lawler running around the ring trying to interview Paul. [01:31:25] Speaker B: Bear for some no good reason, because that's the other thing is that like this match cooked kinda. All things considered, I, I find myself wondering how is this newly hatched rattlesnake gonna find? Is he gonna get anything fun out of Taker, like on a Monday night? Like, this isn't a pay per view. Like, Taker doesn't want to take like hard bumps on a Monday night. He's not gonna do that. Yeah, you know, like, like, you know I'm gonna get like big spots on a taker on like, let's see how this goes. And I don't know, it's. It's such good because Stephen watches though his whole extended intro and he just does not look impressed. And like that for me, like, set the, the, that, that set the, the vibe for this whole match. And I was like, I'm. I'm in. Like, I'm in. He just doesn't care. Like he comes out no no, no, I'm dead. And Steve's just like, no, I'm gonna hit you now. And just. Just goes in on it right away. Like, I don't care. Awesome. And even when Mark slows it to the witch pace, Steven selling keeps the heat up. Like, I am pleased. Yeah, it's great. [01:32:37] Speaker C: There was even, like, Taker even sold the leg. I was like, what? Austin's working the leg and take her sell it. [01:32:43] Speaker B: What? He's like, well, he kind of had to because he's like, wow, you're doing actual psychology on me now. You have to, like, actually do it. Like, yeah, no, I'm a good wrestler. Like, so what you should have been doing. Yeah. Apparently this match gets boring, though, for Dustin in the back because him and Marlena come out to commentary booth, sprinkle us with some of that good, good gay. [01:33:05] Speaker A: And they don't really do anything. Like, he gets there, he sits down, he's like, staring. Yeah, staring a little more. And then he gets up, he goes in, he hits him with, I don't know, feces. I don't know what he throws at. [01:33:18] Speaker C: It was. It was glitter. [01:33:20] Speaker A: Holy glitter. He got his glitter. [01:33:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:33:25] Speaker B: Yes. No, he goes up. Stephen gets caught with the choke slam. Poor Stephen gets set up for the tombstone. And then, yeah, Goldust like that. Sand and gold in the face for the dq. And, yeah, it wasn't. It was an okay match all in all. Like, it was a good match for Taker, I suppose, but it was just. It. It heated up a little and then it cooled way down. And then they brought Dustin out, and I was like, I. I should. Like this. You're making me not like this. Like. Like, this is. I don't like how this is booked. It's a bunch of my favorite people, but, like, not doing cool things. And then there's pocket sand. And that was fun. I did. Like, that was fun. [01:34:11] Speaker C: There was so much glitter on Austin. [01:34:14] Speaker B: So what? Because, yeah, after the fact, they go. We see his face. [01:34:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:19] Speaker B: Oh, my God, he's. [01:34:21] Speaker C: I had. I had a good laugh at that. Yeah. [01:34:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I might. That might have to be the. The COVID again. [01:34:29] Speaker A: Once again, softcore porn. [01:34:31] Speaker B: Yeah. You know what? [01:34:32] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, wait, what did this turn into? [01:34:35] Speaker B: Rock hard Steve Austin, he got gold cockied is what happened there. [01:34:41] Speaker A: Price. [01:34:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Gold dust says that taker will never rest in peace when he gets in the ring with him for a sequel. And that's like you said, the whole match is just about the fact that Goldust is here. Whatever that that's it. That's the weird end of Raw. Is, is, is. Is. Poor taker covered in gold. Final thoughts on raw, folks. [01:35:07] Speaker C: Yeah, terrible, terrible. Set it on fire. [01:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, really quite bad. That was the, the most angry I've been watching. [01:35:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Raw only gets two Burger King crowns out of 10. [01:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Like if anything, I'm actively do not want it. That, that was not the way I want it. Wanted it. I was not happy my way. [01:35:34] Speaker C: It's so, it's so disappointing because like the last time I was on the Raw was like really good actually. [01:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And no, they, they've been having, they've been having good, good nights on occasion. [01:35:48] Speaker C: No, not tonight. Tonight was all about trying to sell tickets in Vancouver, I guess because like not like just can you let a single match happen without an interview or commentary or a run in or. No, no. Okay, okay. Okay. [01:36:03] Speaker A: National incidents. Like. Okay. [01:36:05] Speaker B: And, and I think it's a good look because like, yeah, they did that but I mean Nitro was doing that for Bash at the beach, but they did it in a way where it was exciting. They. They did, they did the show not tell of it. You know what I mean? And whereas like Vince just does not know how to do that. He is not a storyteller. He is a promoter. He can tell you to come. I can tell you in, in, in wonderful words to buy the thing, but I can't like make you want it. You know, Nitro's making us want it and this whole RAW was just telling us that something was coming without. [01:36:43] Speaker A: Nitro's making me want Glacier. [01:36:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Holy. That's. [01:36:48] Speaker C: He's got a stargate. I want to see that guy wrestle. [01:36:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. So yeah, needless to say, Nitro one if. Yeah, if we're selling VIN on Glacier, they're. They're on fire. Well, yeah, we did it. That was it. That was a week of grabs. Hell yeah. [01:37:07] Speaker C: That's one way to describe what we watched. [01:37:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that was certainly my week of grabs. I didn't know more. Oh yeah. I gotta record another one of these in a few days. You don't have to. 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