Girl, get in the Vibes are Rancid w/Bugs Maytrix

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Not at all. And while it's happening, Jimmy Hart's just jumping up and down, dude. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Scrappy do ass. [00:00:16] Speaker A: I'm a professional. Welcome back to Monday Night Fake Fights where I, Garrett Taylor, she, they am doing a re watch of the Monday night wars and making it your problem. This week's co host is. [00:00:30] Speaker C: Hi. I'm silent. She her. [00:00:33] Speaker A: And this week's esteemed victim is. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Hey, yo, what up? It's Bugs Matrix. They any you know what's up? [00:00:44] Speaker A: Check the profile. Yeah, right. So awesome. Yay. We did it. Welcome to the first episode of what I guess we're calling season two of Monday Night Fake Fights. Where shit's different. A little bit different. A little bit the same bugs. Thank you for being the experimental bugs Matrix. The lab bugs, if you will. [00:01:07] Speaker B: There's nothing I love more than experimenting. [00:01:09] Speaker A: So yeah. There you go, kids. Try everything twice. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, you betcha. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Welcome. This is so great. We took a little bit of time, kind of sort of half off. I'm going to try to stick to to weekly again if at all possible. If I can keep my together. And we are kind. It's kind of cool because like this should release a day before it would have been released in 1996. Right? Yeah, that like very rarely lines up and it makes my neurodiver brain tingle. So I'm going to try to keep this up. And speaking of just wonderful things that make us all tingle, pro wrestling and talking about it with queer folks. You are first time guest Bugs, so I have to ask you the question. First of all, who are you? What do you do? Tell the people. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, howdy. Hey. My name's Bugs Matrix and I'm really annoying on the Internet. [00:02:06] Speaker A: It's one of your finest qualities. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah, I know. I'm like a podcaster, content creator. I play a lot of magic the Gathering. I love turning wizard squares sideways and saying I killed you with a lightning bolt. [00:02:22] Speaker A: As one does. Yes. [00:02:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:24] Speaker C: You know, plenty of pro wrestlers do that too. [00:02:26] Speaker B: They turn. They. They kill people with lightning bolts. [00:02:31] Speaker A: I can think of at least two. Yeah, yeah, right, right. I still am not entirely sure how they do it. And I kind of don't want to know. Just me. [00:02:40] Speaker C: Still real to me. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it's still real to me. Damn it. And that's also once again a great transition. And I almost stopped to let. To let silence say thank you. But I didn't. There. And by saying it, I've done the bit anyways. So the next question would be, Bugs, what if any relationship Before I asked you to put yourself through this. Do you have to Professional wrestling. [00:03:09] Speaker B: And so back in high school, I used to watch it a little bit. I don't remember exactly, like what programs. Like, I used to watch some wrestling with my girlfriend because we were both like, we're both bi and we want to see big meaty people throw themselves at each other. And like, you know, we're both theater kids and so we're like, yeah, like it's Shakespearean. Let's fucking go. Like, I want to see these like just, you know, muscle bound fucking like Shakespeare adaptation ass like hams just whipping at each other. [00:03:45] Speaker A: Fellow weirdos who are addicted to the, the attention. I too, drama kid. [00:03:52] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:03:52] Speaker A: No. No way. Really? [00:03:56] Speaker C: Yeah. We're three for three on this week. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You know what? I, if we weren't like, I'd be concerned. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd be like, I'm hanging with the wrong friend group. What am I doing here? But yes, that, that, that, that tracks. I was gonna say if you weren't a current fan, I was like, there's no way there' wrestling in Bugs Matrix. You feel, you feel like you're familiar with the kfab. You know, a friend of Shawn Michaels. If you, if you Soma mentioned. So anyways, yeah, that. Fantastic. Welcome to this nostalgia trip which is, you know, both awful and great right now. So it's. I, I don't know what I'm leaving in the intro, but it's been a day, let's say that. So back to 1996. Why don't we get in the, the time machine that probably has a few wires loose. Bugs, do you, do you Want to revisit WCW's Nitro or WWF's Raw First? [00:05:00] Speaker B: Oh, I think let's do Raw than. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Nitro rather than nitro. Okay. Gotta skip ahead a few pages. There you go. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Vegetables before junk food. I approve. [00:05:11] Speaker B: I look like, like both were great, but like nitro went really hard. So I wanna. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna. I think we got. Let's build into that a little bit. Let's, let's pace it. We gotta have like the opening fight and then, you know. [00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're building a card every week here on the show. Bugs. Thank you for, for taking the book. This week. We, we are introing, but in a fun way. Skipping the 50 years of sports entertainment. They still show us the fun little CGI like 90s swirly gig that I loved, but they didn't do the like over to the Top thing. I guess we're going right into it because it's, it's Steve Austin quarterfinal times. This is wild. So like we've been watching the, the evolution of Steve Austin and this is like a wild night for it. They are continuing the blood feud of him and Savio Vega which pleases me and. But there's like you know, stakes on the line again because it's king of in quarterfinal. It's like they just keep finding ways to make. Make it a point. There's a point for these two to each other up and it's, it's fantastic because I love watching you two each other up. And sure enough Savio like jumps right on him. So another new aspect of format of the show I kind of soft launched a little bit last week with Alex Ste. These nitros are getting long. I can no longer do like the super ridiculous play by play I was doing which was fun but also just these will be five hour shows. So it's like let's discuss match by match. But you know, not the overall. Right. The broad strokes. My broadest stroke being this match. It's a rematch of the strap match of Beware of dog patrons. Check that out. Which was like one of the. We just got done doing the retrospective. That's like one of the best things we saw this year so far. Silent. I'm sure you agree. How did this rematch treat you? Silent. [00:07:21] Speaker C: Not to immediately launch into play by play completely disrupting everything you just said. [00:07:25] Speaker A: Go for it. Go. Go for it. I'll sit back and enjoy it for once. [00:07:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't. Does anyone need us to tell them that Stone Cold and Savio Vega in 1996 was a really good match. [00:07:35] Speaker A: I just like apparently because we're doing the show right. [00:07:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess I. One thing I was questioning partway through the matches it felt like they were really both focusing on each other's legs and I was like, wait, do we need. Do either of these guys have leg based emissions even or is this just sort of like a general like fuck you. I don't want you to walk out of here. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Fuck your leg. Fuck that leg specifically. No, I wrote that down too because I psychology and big notes like message. The ring psychology word of the match is knee and like Savio especially is like going to town on, on Steven's left knee this whole match and pretty great storytelling. But I also kind of like, I'm wondering like is Steve aware that that knee is up? Is that what they're playing towards? Is he playing hurt here? Like, because we know he's about to, like, go get surgery and come back with a knee brace that never comes off for the rest of his career. Rest of his life. Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was still wearing that knee brace when likely Drunkenly ran an ATV into the crowd at WrestleMania this year. Holy hell, yeah, dude. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Dudes rock. [00:08:51] Speaker A: Dudes rock. And that man lives the gimmick. [00:08:59] Speaker C: Yeah. No, not to jump immediately to the end, but it was just. It made me. It made me laugh. Vince McMahon, scumbag, awful person, bad commentator. I would go so far as to say he. He has ticks that are like. Or like he has fallbacks that he'll use on his commentary, one of which is like, he will almost always predict the incorrect outcome to the match shortly before the match actually ends. And sure enough, like maybe 30, 35 seconds before the match ends, Vince predicts that Savio will beat stone cold Steve Austin. And it's like as soon as you know it, it just kind of like. Well, I know exactly how every match is going to go on these shows. [00:09:41] Speaker A: I did not catch that. [00:09:44] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:09:45] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Because I always get caught on the unquestionably and. And things of that nature. Yeah, what a maneuver. And one, two. No, he didn't. You know, like, he's got like all these things they done over assaulting women, you know, they just things that Vince is known to do. Allegedly. Allegedly. So, yeah, no, he did, he did that. When you lose Bret Hart, you know he did that. Bret Hart is the most loyal, like of all to like, he tortured that man. And still he was like, oh, I owe on my career, like, sure, dude. I like a guy who says a boot, it was not great. Very not great. And he does give the ending away to that, I'd say, you know, there's a few notable spots coming in on the end, I should say. Overall, I would say check this out. But bugs, did you have anything fun and notable for you? This was probably your first Steve Austin match in quite some time. [00:10:49] Speaker B: This is. I. This might have been the first Steve Austin. I think of it definitely seen in 10 years. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Italy, 12 years. [00:11:00] Speaker B: And I'm gonna be entirely honest, I did not take very detailed notes. I was just walking, watching scenes rock. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that is. That's why we take more detailed notes. That's why I say take as many or as little as you wish. Because I will talk too much. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I mean, just like, I guess this was kind of a. Not to be like, broad thoughts on all of this. But I'm like, these guys look so normal. Like they look jacked as hell, but they look like they look like people. And like, just kind of thinking about that versus, like the last, like 15 or so years of like, Hollywood jacked up, like, dry as hell beefcake dudes. I'm like, oh, these are just like, dudes. [00:11:41] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's kind of the standard at this point. Certainly over in WWF and WCW as well. Early 90s, we had the steroid trials where Vince McMahon very narrowly avoided serious federal charges. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Holy. What? [00:12:00] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Oh, Bugs didn't know about this. Yeah, he Ultimate Warrior Hulk Hogan did this deposition against him. Couple people. There was a doctor who. Who. George Zahorian, who was basically a mark. He was a wrestling fan. So, like, who could give out scripts. So he would use this to be like, back in the day, up until a lot of when this went down, some places it's still like this. Wrestling still operated within the athletic commission of the state and territory it was in. You still have to like, go in and like, get checked out. And if they say you're not good, you can't work. So you get a doctor who would. You would have to have, like a ringside physician. Well, when you work in Hershey, Pennsylvania, and you work with the Fed, your ringside physician is George Zoran. And he's who you go to when the boys need their candy. As. As I believe it was Chief J. Strombo said that on a call. Call to someone trying to get steroids for the boys. Is that the boys need their candy. It was the. That came out in the trial. So, like, yeah, there you can read. You can find the. All of the trial. There's podcasts I've mentioned a few times that have, like, done it. Like, you can just. If you feel like listening to like, 40 hours of guys, do it in the voice. Yeah, but look at. Yeah. And Silent can show you all the evidence you need here. Silent just dropped in the chat here. Hulk Hogan in the. In the 80s versus Hulk Hogan, where we're about to be now. And you see. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Holy. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Like, that's half a ter. [00:13:48] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that. That. That. [00:13:49] Speaker A: That. [00:13:50] Speaker B: That is. That's just Hulk Ho. [00:13:52] Speaker C: That is Hulko. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah. The G. The gan mysterious lost his gans. [00:13:59] Speaker A: He lost his gans. No gans, brother. Yeah. So all the gans are gone because they were like, we gotta flush this. We got to not blah, blah, blah. So, like, it's. And it's funny because you're talking about all the beef cake and stuff we've been getting the last 10, 15 years. It's truly a cycle. Because what you're talking about is the fact that Stone Cold looks like a guy who would chug a bunch of beer. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like yeah these, these are dudes that I've seen like in gyms and like they're, they're in great shape but they're like. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Yeah but that was a response to what you see here with the back. The side by side of Hogan just ten years before that. That was them going back to. That was a response to. What got wrestling huge was Hogan being juiced to his gills. So like for a while there because of Vince and Hogan and all that like Lex Luger over in, in WCW came out of all that. He was a bodybuilder before he was a wrestler. It was all about looking like that again because that's what Vince liked for reasons I'm sure him and his therapist have worked out. Ah, no homo. So like he. So probably let's be real, a little bit of homo. But before that you could. This is what's great about wrestling and why this is a two hour show still you, you can go even further back and you get your haystacks Calhoun and your, your who are just these big fat who like look like literally just the guy who drinks too much at the bar. And like it wasn't about being a beefcake and it. You see it really kind of does go in loops. So we're. Because of the steroid trial. Savio and Steve can look like every man and still be horrifying because we need to not have everyone look like they're explode because the feds will come for. [00:15:55] Speaker B: That's like. I think that makes for more compelling fights right. Like, like there that adds if not like I think that like that in tandem like with the kayfabe like adds to this notion of like like it helps kind of mask some of the performativity of it. Like I think it's really useful. I don't know. Like that was just as a device. I feel like they. I don't know. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah, no, absolutely, I agree. And it speaks to something that I mentioned a few episodes ago when Jake the Snake fought Davey Boy Smith. The other side of that though is you get a guy who is in his storyline a recovering drug addict alcoholic in his like 40s who's like not in good shape fighting a guy who looks like he's chiseled out of flesh stone and they're going at it like. [00:16:47] Speaker B: As equals, like a Tit for tat type situation. I mean, like. [00:16:52] Speaker A: And it's like. Then you got to suspend that disbelief again. Yeah. [00:16:56] Speaker B: But then, no, then it just becomes like Mortal Kombat shit. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. We'll. We'll get more into that in wcw. So, yeah, no fantastic conversations. God, I love doing this show. But to finish up this, this particular match, you talk about this being your first stone cold match. This is the first stone cold stunner of all time. We witnessed it. He knows he didn't do the kick in the gut. He didn't flip him off like he's famous for. He just grabbed his head and sat down with his ass and. [00:17:28] Speaker C: Which means. Which means that it was just a cutter. [00:17:31] Speaker A: It was just a cutter. Yeah, it was just a poorly operated cutter where he didn't lay all the. But it looked real cool. [00:17:39] Speaker B: That's all that matters. [00:17:40] Speaker A: And he was probably trying to rip off DDP's heat. Who is? That's his finisher. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Well, they were friends. They were friends. [00:17:49] Speaker A: There's actually a story about that where he had. He got DDP's permission because they were friends. But at one point, Hunter started trying to use cutters at house shows because he was trying. He just thinks he wanted to get away from the pedigree and have a different thing. And DDP was like, calling him was like, come on, man, what are you doing? [00:18:11] Speaker C: Don't do it without asking ddp. I do understand wanting to get away from the pedigree because Ultimate Warrior did just bury it like a few weeks after you started using it. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Exactly why. And yeah, it's. It's a bad year for him. And that pleases my little queer heart. But it's a good, solid opening grabs the Chuckle. They do their. Their job on commentary. But what's more fun is after this, Austin joins the commentary for the next match, which exciting. He gets to talk. There's no Ted Dibiase. Like, the last couple times we saw Steve, he literally said nothing. He, like, he just made like, faces while the other guy talked. So we'll see how this goes. I know he can talk. He was stunning Steve. He talks a lot of Undertaker and Mankind, though. Before this, they got set up for their first match at King of the Ring. Pay per View available on Patreon. And before you can say squeal like Mankind, we're packing. It's Mark Mero and Sable coming out to the ring and Austin getting on commentary to get a little rattlesnake. Y. We also wouldn't be a nostalgia show kids if we didn't get the SEGA Slam of the Week. [00:19:25] Speaker B: I. I have that in all caps. Yeah, I'm like, the SEGA Slam of the Week. Like, like, let's go. [00:19:35] Speaker C: I think it was even the SEGA SAT Slam of the Week. Like, let's make. [00:19:37] Speaker A: It was. It was. [00:19:38] Speaker B: It was. And I'm like. I'm like, how much do they like, pay for that? Like, that's got to be like top billing to have this whole goddamn little segment. And it's. [00:19:51] Speaker A: I hope so. [00:19:52] Speaker C: There. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Are. [00:19:52] Speaker A: There. [00:19:54] Speaker C: Go ahead. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Well, just. [00:19:55] Speaker B: Just like, it will like, I don't know. And watching this with, you know, decades of hindsight and being like, famously flopping console. The Sega Saturn, like, like, great, great, great console. But like, you know, that's like. I don't know. The Colecovision Slam. [00:20:11] Speaker A: Like, yeah, yeah. It's like the Dreamcast Slam of the Week. And it's like, yeah, like, no, no, no, no, no. They'll try that in a couple years. [00:20:19] Speaker C: I suppose that's a really fun thing about watching these old raws is there's these like, weird product. Not displacements, but like, integrations. There was the Karate Fighters tournament from a few months before. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my God. [00:20:33] Speaker C: Which was like, it's sort of like rock em sock em robots, but they can also like twist around and kick each other. And it was just various WWF personalities fighting in a bracket tournament with these Karate Fighters, which was awesome. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right? And they made like a tournament of promos. It was very creative. Yeah, that's like. [00:20:57] Speaker B: That goes so hard. Wait, like, was that. [00:21:01] Speaker C: Did Sonny end up winning the Karate Fighters tournament? [00:21:04] Speaker A: I can't remember. I think it might have been the King Unfortunate. No, the King lost. It wasn't Barry Horowitz, was it? I don't remember. Folks, go back, listen to the shows. There's an excuse. Go back and re. Listen to everything. Moxie, what are you doing? Okay. I get distracted. We both got cats going on. Bugs is like, oh, my God, there's cats everywhere. [00:21:26] Speaker B: I'm so excited. I. Let's go. [00:21:29] Speaker A: Well, all right. We should get into this next match, but quickly. Before we do that, they have to. Quick. Pay condolences to former Federation Wrestler, Tag Team champion and proud member of the Ku Klux Klan, Dick Murdoch. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Jesus Christ, I missed that part. [00:21:46] Speaker A: Didn't Google. Yeah. Pro wrestling, everybody. Pro wrestling. [00:21:53] Speaker B: What? What a cornucopia of types of guy, huh? [00:21:59] Speaker A: Huh? [00:21:59] Speaker B: This is like. [00:22:00] Speaker C: I didn't. I didn't call it out earlier, but we should probably also apologize for the gimmick that Chief Strongbow had because that man has no native ancestry of any kind. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Maybe dudes don't rock. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Maybe sometimes dudes don't rock. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Chief Straight Strongbow does. I. I know that tatanka is actually indigenous, just not the. The tribe that would call him tatanka. Which is. [00:22:29] Speaker C: Which is just as bad. [00:22:30] Speaker A: That's as bad. Yeah. [00:22:33] Speaker B: Never change mid-90s. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Yep. On that note, Owen Hart's disco theme never change mid-90s. This is the second match in a row I'm like, oh, my God, this reeks of banger. This reeks of banger. Last match story was about Steven's knee. This is shaping up to be about Owen's broken arm in the cast. Yeah, you have broken arm. [00:23:01] Speaker B: You know, they had a prop points for, you know, verisimilitude. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Yes. No. Owen can work in all kinds of ways. He can do prop comedy. Like, no one is the funniest wrestler of all time behind the scenes. So he's like, I can do. I can work. Props. I'll beat up Carrot. Carrots. Oh, God damn it. It's been a morning. [00:23:28] Speaker B: It has, it has. What's ahead if not a top? [00:23:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Now I'm distracted for other reasons. So this match is awesome. Sure enough. And like, not just because Sable's there with her little. Her little guy, which they continue to just be like, we don't know what to she hot blonde Barbarella dominatrix. [00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker A: All words that make Vince happy. [00:24:01] Speaker B: I. You know what? I. I hate to like agree with him on anything. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Sometimes I'm like, I can't. Yeah, we want. We want muscle bombies. [00:24:11] Speaker C: Like, the man breathes oxygen, you know. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Like, we're not so different, you and me, Spider Man. Like. [00:24:22] Speaker A: On this point we can agree. And sure enough, Spider man join me. And Spider Man's like, oh, no. I heard up. Shit. [00:24:35] Speaker C: You're fired, Spider Man. [00:24:38] Speaker A: No, no, I quit. Mr. McMahon. All right. You have to sign this NDA and bring me pictures of Sable. All right. Anyway, damn it. My brain could do this for way too long. So, yes. Point being this match should also. Sables there. They want to talk about Sable. Sable, Sable, Sable. I meanwhile, want Mark Mero to be able to be awesome and he gets a bit of that. It's a slow paced one. There's like a. A big spot every once in a while that, like, definitely was nice. I have here for notable spots what I have here. Yeah. Meryl went for a beautiful senton on Owen and he gets out of the way and just kind of looks at the crowd is like, almost like an early Samoa Joe walk away. And I really wanted to take note of that because I wonder if, like, baby Samoa Joe saw that. It was like, wait a minute. I have a thought. Yeah. Because now one of his best things and one of my favorite things in wrestling to this day is like, someone will go on the top rope to try to jump on him and he'll just walk out of the way like. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Hey, man, I see what you're doing. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Would you expect me to stand there. [00:25:53] Speaker B: A couple seconds of setup? Yeah, you're charging your solar beam. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Oh, Samoa Joe would up Dragon Ball Z so hard. [00:26:06] Speaker B: Oh, wait, hold on. Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker A: Oh, now I have to start thinking about that. That's a crossover. Well, yeah, because you get Piccolo needs time to charge his. And Samoa Joe's is like. [00:26:17] Speaker B: I mean, he's like, he does like the little Han Solo. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Next thing you know, he's behind him in coquina clutch and it's just like. Well, Pickle is putting his finger to his head like that. He's leaving the arm like. Yeah, yeah, it's right in there. Okay. Oh, geez. All right. Fans know what I'm talking about. I am such a nerd. [00:26:44] Speaker C: Anyways, speaking of aew, it does have the, the potentiality to sort of ruin some aspects of older ring psychology for you. Because for me on this match, like, it had this air over it of just like, all right, but what if this was a pay per view and these guys were just going all out? This would be one of the best matches I'd ever seen. [00:27:01] Speaker A: Like, that's, that's kind of what I was getting at. I was like, this is really great, but it's eh, it's like you got two, two like, amazing, like top of their game guys. And you tell them, go out there, but don't, don't overshine whoever's coming next. We, we. We gotta make sure Lawler looks good. Squash and Aldo Montoya. [00:27:21] Speaker C: Right. And it's free tv. Don't give it away for free. Make them buy the pay per view. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Yeah, unfortunately, I, it's not bad business. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Not anymore. And because WCW is over on the other channel, pay per view level matches for free. Ah. Bugs nodding in agreement like, yes. [00:27:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why we're talking about that. One second. [00:27:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. It's like, holy. [00:27:49] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Another aspect to this match that'd be interesting in hearing both of your thoughts on this. There's this idea, there's a lot of schools of thought. With ring psychology, there's this one idea that if you are a heel, you should avoid getting cheered, even if you're really good at what you do. And for some, the way that they approach that is, okay, well, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna work matches and I'm gonna constantly slow down the pace. I'm gonna make the match less fun and engaging so that the only times you are gonna cheer is if the baby face is doing something. And I definitely felt a bit of Owen Hart doing that, slowing things down. And like, I feel like I'm someone who appreciates that psychology. But at the same time, I'm, I look at the modern product being put out by both companies and they're perfectly capable of getting booze while also wrestling real, real good all the time. So, like, where do you all fall on this? [00:28:40] Speaker B: I mean, not to liken this to Magic the Gathering, but as dirty. Please, please do, as a dirty, dirty control player, like, I do think that there is like an art to just being a dick. And like, no, we're not making this fun. Like, I am going to milk all of the time. I'm going to capitalize on all of this and you're gonna fucking hate me for it because I want to. Like, that, that builds this, like, you know, if the entirety of it is this construction of like, tension and release, like having this, having this like absolute lull, having it just be like, dude, fucking do something. I don't know, like, I, I, I, I, I, I think that again, to just circle back to what we're saying a couple seconds ago, like, that does kind of also implicitly pitch the, the pay per view shit, right? Where it's like, I don't know, like I, I think that there is something to the pacing there that also then this is something that I just kind of written down for most of the matches. I'm like, really interested in how all the commentators, like sprinkle in. Kind of like they're advertising that they're going to advertise something like constantly. And so having dead air in a match to like lead to that feels like a very cohesive choice. I don't know. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Absolutely. The chuckle were up to a lot of that. They were up to. They were a lot. This match. [00:30:08] Speaker B: In my notes, I also just have an all caps mouth to mouth insemination. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Yep. Lawler says that Golda should come out to give marrow artificial insemination because he can't help himself. He means mouth to mouth resuscitation insemination. But he constantly keeps saying it. [00:30:26] Speaker B: He keeps fucking saying it. [00:30:28] Speaker A: I mean Lawler's always thinking about semen. At all times. He slipped up. Like it just. It's, it's a known problem. It's. But yeah, they keep the advertising, other stuff in the middle of the batch. At one point Vince asked us, goldust will have to eat a 15 foot python tonight. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:44] Speaker A: I wrote down the authors. Barely disguised fetich strikes again. Where. Where at, Vince? Where you at here? Yeah, it's just a lot of. It's a lot of that. They're, they're doing a whole bunch of that. Just trying to like keep you into what's going on. I feel like to go back to what Silent was saying, I completely agree and I like with that context and looking it that way, I think that's probably what's going on. And because Owen knows, Owen knows what these chuckle are doing. Like Owen, Owen's like one of the best to do it. Like Owen. Owen knows that like they're going to be paying minimum effort to this. So we're gonna. What did I write right here? This match was minimum impact, done with maximum effort. Like they did everything great and that's kind of what it was, is like it wasn't super impactful but it was measured and done in such a way that you could tell it was on purpose because it was. Yeah, they, they kept drawing you back in like at one point before a perfect plex. They're doing some chest chops that sound like gunshots. If they did that in modern aw, the crowd would lose their. [00:31:54] Speaker B: There was a very, very good like ebb and flow. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. And I think that they probably knew that this is, this is the match where they're going to be like bouncing up at all this other and trying to. Yeah. Build up the next thing. Cripes. But it's a decent match, folks. If you if kind of getting in the habit of like every match being like, watch it, don't watch it. You know, this one's all right. Check it out. It's fun. That first one. I don't think we did that, but definitely watch that for anytime you. Anytime you can see Steve Austin, Savio Vega fight. Watch that. [00:32:32] Speaker B: It's just as a recent convert. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Yeah, they do real good. This match ends up with a nice fun little marrow pin rehearsal. It's very nice. That's how he do. However, Owen being the, the loser that he is, the. What's the word? Oh, God damn it. What's the lawyer I'm looking for? Gracious Loser just hits him over the head with the bad arm and knocks him out. Gotta get that heat back. He tells the camera the guy was a chicken. He was going for my bad arm and like, sure, dude, sure. So, yes, Owen keeps the heat intact and is kind of campy and bitchy about it. And I like, he's my favorite heart. We come back and Junior is trying to talk and ring to the British Bulldog. And pardon me for saying it, smoking hot trad Canadian wife, Diana Hart Smith. Piper's not here to break me. I can't. [00:33:31] Speaker C: Well, yeah, plus, like, objectifying her was kind of like the goal of the segment anyway, so. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah, like, well, go. [00:33:39] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:33:41] Speaker C: Got anything? [00:33:42] Speaker B: But no, I'm just. Yeah, yeah. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Just. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Hey, like, I enter, I intro. Like, what's your history with wrestling? I watch it to watch hot people. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Look, I might be a smart person sometimes, but, like, I don't care. I'm not. I'm not above base impulses. [00:33:58] Speaker A: My. My base impulses. That dress and those boots, that combo were fan fucking tastic. Yeah, thank you. And I both want it and you know, like, yep, have it on me. That's the old thing of do I want her to be here. And Diana Hart Smith. It's both, except without the Canadian part. And I don't want to be married to British Bulldog. That sounded like hell. But yeah, the objectification, like you said, is kind of the point. Bulldog refers to. To her as his most prized possession. And in this essay, I. [00:34:33] Speaker B: I was. That Bulldog makes me go woof. [00:34:39] Speaker C: The most shocking part for me was Vince McMahon of All People, like, feigning some level of shock at that comment. [00:34:45] Speaker A: Like, oh, my possession. And yeah, to me, that's. That's in retrospect, it's like the nice guy thing where like, he, he. I think he's trying to distract. He's saying, oh, that's terrible. Inside. He's like, you're damn right, pal. You know, God damn, I hate him so much. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Bad guy, bad guy, bad guy. Theme of the show, folks. [00:35:08] Speaker C: What this does establish, though, is there's a conversion rate wherein the World Heavyweight Championship for WWF is roughly equivalent to one wife. [00:35:19] Speaker A: Sickos. Write that down. That's going to be important later, I'm sure. [00:35:24] Speaker C: Yeah, Mongo, take notice. [00:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, that's gonna Sullivan later this. Oh, yeah. God. Later this episode, Bulldog rambles about Shawn Michael. Shawn Michael. Not Michael. Shawn Michael. And Vince tells us that we will have an update on Marrow soon because we're all worried about Marrow. Lawler says who cares? And I kind of agree. [00:35:49] Speaker C: Rare agreement with Jerry Lawler. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It happens on occasion. Sure enough, though, here comes Sean. Crowd loses their as one does. And before long, the cuck break kid has lost his shirt while they. They get a nice pull apart going because, like, of course, he just comes out there to fight. We come back to all the Montoya in the ring with his sparkler pyro. And I wrote down because I realized this moment, this might be the last time that just incredible ever gets Pyro. Like, ever. Because just this guy is gonna not be Aldo Montoya much longer because he's gonna get fired. He goes to ECW and becomes just incredible. And I don't think you get pyro in ecw, or at least just incredible. I don't think it's pyro and ecw. [00:36:38] Speaker C: I think there's pyro in ecw, but, like, it's gonna be on your body. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Not pyrotechnic so much as an exploding ring. Flaming chair, more. That's another lawsuit you can look into. That one involved Mick Foley and Terry Funk. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Holy. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Yeah, they wrap. They. They're like, terry, I got a great idea. What if we wrapped this steel chair in like, a towel that's soaked in kerosene and light it on fire and I'll hit you with it a couple. [00:37:08] Speaker B: Times and nothing could go wrong. [00:37:11] Speaker A: No, no, Terry's all, hell, that's a great idea. You know, let's go. Cactus ladder up. [00:37:17] Speaker C: I want to know if Terry Funk ever said no to an idea for a match. [00:37:21] Speaker A: I don't think he ever said no to anything. It would later be his idea for Mick to jump off the hell in the cell cage, according to Foley. Like, hell was he just. What if he just threw you? He should just go right ahead and throw you off and, like, really? No, not really. Well, no, no, now it's a good idea. Like, he's with him. He's like, no, no, no, I'm serious. So that's the relationship those two had. Long story short, the flaming towel burned off the chair, and on another swing of it, it flew off and hit someone in the crowd and burned them in peace suit. [00:38:00] Speaker B: I mean, like, yeah, what'd you think? What'd you think was gonna happen with that? God damn. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Now, the argument they made, though, and one that I can't help but agree with, even though it's sort of up, is at the. At this point in ECW's history, if you were at an ECW show, you could also Say, well, what did you think was gonna happen? It's like. And that was kind of their argument in court too, was like, yeah, like, it's. [00:38:31] Speaker B: If you have them sign a waiver. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Paul Heyman, like, Paul Heyman's like, waiver. I hardly know her. Yeah. [00:38:39] Speaker B: No, but I'm like, you gotta cover your bases. [00:38:43] Speaker A: He learned that now. Yeah. [00:38:45] Speaker C: I wish I could remember which. Which incident in ecw. It was where, like, there was legal interaction the night of. But like, it was something on the scale of, like, the mass transit incident, that sort of thing. But apparently, like, Paul Hay. Like, Paul Heyman had, like, run out of the building and just fully left. [00:39:06] Speaker A: It's like, I'm out of here. I did nothing to do with this. No. It would all come like, when push comes to shove and, like, the law's on the way, he's gonna get the out of there and find a lawyer to start with. That's a different. That's a different show. That's Extreme Championship Wrestling. But in this show, I think law. We're sending him off to ECW with this because he. He drives the show to a halt to like, I'm gonna go talk to Aldo Montoya for some reason. And it turns out to clever ruse. And really he just wants to squash him. So he does. He just squashes Aldo and Pyle drives him. And there was supposed to be a match against Triple H. I think that just didn't happen. Hey, that's the punished Paul. He was supposed to have TV time. They're like, nah, we're gonna let Jerry the King squash a guy instead. Man, that hurts with it. Now. I'm. I will not feel bad for Paul Levesque, but I'm getting close. But, you know, Lawler, being the coward and sex criminal that he is, he runs out of the ring at the sound of Jake the Snake's music hitting. Think he gets back on commentary and does a little bit of, like, an unhinged Breathless promo into the camera. Yeah. Not. Not great. They try to look like real sports again. They cut to something that was, like, kind of depressing. This is the. The Brian Pillman contract signing. And he. [00:40:34] Speaker B: That was super weird. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Was. Okay. Bugs out of context. Yes. How did you feel about this? [00:40:41] Speaker B: It felt like really bad community theater. [00:40:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Knowing. Knowing dick all I'm like, what's going on? Why is his hair like that? Who are these people? Just brings it. Brought everything to a screeching fucking halt. I'm like, I don't. It's like. And no one seemed happy to be here. I don't know, Like. Like, it just. It felt like everyone was being held there by gunpoint. I. Like, I know nothing about what this was other than that I did not care for it. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Well, the vibe was. [00:41:19] Speaker B: It was like, yeah, no, it. Again, bad community theater. But like, the lead actors, like, grandma just died or something. Head ass. Like, yeah, like, it's. This is just like, girl, do you know your lines? It's okay. Like, you're not off book. Okay. Gnar nar. Nar. No. So I. Please a crumb of context for whatever the. That one. [00:41:46] Speaker A: I would love to explain to you why this boy whose puppy was just run over by Vince McMahon and then he did a little reverse action and then he said, get in. You're. You're working for me now. Those dogs. No. So this guy, Brian Pillman rules. He was in WCW for years and years. Flying Brian, former tag team partner of Steve Austin back when Steve had hair. [00:42:12] Speaker B: They were. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were the Hollywood Blondes and they both had blonde hair. Believe it or not. [00:42:18] Speaker B: I kind of love that. Okay. [00:42:20] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Yeah. Austin would come out and do this like. Like, thing. Like a camera is wild. So that's early 90s. But he got fed up and he. He's been on our podcast, like, you know, he was around when Nitro started. He was in the Four Horsemen. That's kind of why. We'll get to it. Why there is a new Horseman when we get to Nitro. Because Pillman left, and his whole thing was he did this really cool thing where he tried to work them and he. He worked everyone against each other. Because this is the war, right? So Pillman created a bidding war. Oh, let's see what silence attachment is. Pillman created a bidding war over himself. Yeah, see, I could. All right, Bugs, please tell me what you think about the Hollywood Blondes here. [00:43:05] Speaker B: I have never seen something more exactly. 19. 1990. [00:43:15] Speaker A: Yes, that was. Yes, exactly. Silent. You. I'm so happy you're here to be like, check out the Hollywood Blondes. [00:43:24] Speaker C: I adore that I'm bringing a necessary visual element to this audio medium. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Hell yeah. So Pillman was like this. I deserve more money. And he created a bidding war, and he ended up, like, showing ECW and like, he was, like, trying to get fired and, like, all this stuff. He, He. He had Eric Bischoff at WCW convinced that if he approved his release, like, he would make the. Make the. The Fed think that he could go work for them. But really he was just gonna, like, say, Them and go back to work for nitro. But he was just working Bischoff in because he wanted to get fired. So he finally got himself fired and got a job at the Fed. Go work with Steve Austin. You know, like it's my old buddy now. This is why he's sad. In the meantime after pulling off this huge play to get here, he gets in a like I think it was a motorcycle or a car wreck. [00:44:21] Speaker C: I think motorcycle. [00:44:22] Speaker A: I know Cary Von Erich was motorcycle. [00:44:24] Speaker C: It might be a car wreck actually. I think he fell asleep at the wheel. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Something like that. Yeah, like he was just burning it at both ends and, and, and car wreck. So he got in this crash and he his up and he had surgery on his ankle I believe. Yeah. And like they called him Flying Brian. That should tell you he had a lot of, a lot of, of leap in those ankles. Like. [00:44:50] Speaker B: Yeah, you kind of, you kind of need your ankle for the big springy office shits. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So he now is like facing down that he finally made this play to get to what is pretty much seen as like the big league or bigger league. And he's not going to be able to work like he used to. He's like staring down. He might not be able to wrestle anymore after he just pulled this off. So they're having this contract because Vince says well that the show must go on. I paid you. We'll figure something out. Get out. We're doing the contract signing. I need to wave you in the face of Bischoff that I won and I got you. [00:45:26] Speaker C: And to be fair, lack of ability to wrestle never stopped Vince McMahon from booking anyone. [00:45:30] Speaker A: So Ultimate Warrior is still working there. Yeah, so exactly. So all that to be saying that is why. Because those are likely real tears. Like he basically just found out he can't work anymore. Or at least like he used to. And he's at his dream job and being told by his boss to go out there and do the contract signing. Like we're a real sport. Because wrestling sucks and I hate it. I'm Vince McMahon. [00:45:57] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like. Yeah, I don't know. It would be like being in a Magic the Gathering tournament and you're, you've progressed to like the final match and all the money is on the line and your deck is missing. But someone did just hand you like a pre constructed. It's just like well here's something for you to use. [00:46:13] Speaker B: Oh, I kill myself on the spot. [00:46:15] Speaker C: Right? [00:46:15] Speaker B: Like oh my God. I mean not. Yeah, that'd be awful. Okay. Okay, thank you for that analogy. [00:46:21] Speaker A: There you go. The thing is. [00:46:24] Speaker B: That's so sad. Also, that doesn't explain what was going on with his hair. But like, that's so sad. [00:46:30] Speaker C: We have no answers. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I got no answers. Fair than Michael Hayes, maybe. Yeah, like Michael Hayes is probably responsible for that in the back. Oh, God. All right, so that, that happened. And yeah, so there's your context that like brought me the down. Like great graps. Wonderful. And then Lawler squashing just incredible. And Brian Pillman crying because he got a job. And it was just like what the. [00:47:00] Speaker B: The range of human emotionality on full display. Like. [00:47:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like can wwf, right? The shift. Can we rescue this raw? What are we going to turn to in order to try to bring it all home? What about some old fashioned gay panic? [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah, let's get some good, good gay shit in here. That was, I was going to say too well done. Again, great transition. Silent. You're so good at it. [00:47:23] Speaker C: I really am. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Immaculate. [00:47:27] Speaker A: Yes. We get Jake Roberts against Goldust and Bugs. How do you feel about our queer representation in 1996 known as Gold dust? How, how does a gold dust make you feel? [00:47:43] Speaker B: Problematically? I'm like, I love this guy. I think he's fun. I like, I, I, you know, I love camp, like goofy ass look like this Ziggy Stardust. I'm like, let's go. I, I, that was my highlight of the entire episode. I'm gonna be entirely honest. I love this dude. [00:48:08] Speaker A: Gold dust is the highlight of anything he touches, basically. [00:48:12] Speaker B: I know. He, I'm just like, yeah, like, like, is this dripping in homophobia? Yeah. And also, yeah, this dude rocks. Yeah. No, like, I, it's, I'm like, I love how hard you're trying to like make me hate this guy. I love a slippery little weasel man. And I'm like, yes, Go on, go. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Yes. Go on. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Yes. The cowardly queer against Jake the brave manly man. Yes. Yeah. [00:48:44] Speaker B: And then we're gonna. Oh my God. The pocket gold does. I'm like, let's go, Louie. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Like pocket sand. Yeah, yeah. [00:48:52] Speaker B: This rocks. What? Like, like you're telling me I'm supposed to hate this guy? What's wrong with you? [00:48:58] Speaker A: The again, whole thesis for this show is like just gold dust being like, like Ursula in Louisville. Yeah, yeah, you're telling me. I'm like, now I just love John Waters. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:10] Speaker A: And drag. And drag queens with pocket sand. [00:49:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like, like, I, I, I, like give me a whole league of this guy. [00:49:18] Speaker A: Like, why, like hood slam check Out. Hood Slam. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:49:25] Speaker A: Queer. Queer as indie wrestling. So. Oh, my God. That's two mentions of hood slam in one month. Fantastic. Eric will be so proud of me. But yeah, this. This match was fun, but it was very much like, please let us do a homophobia at. At all this. And. And it's like, okay, I guess. But like, he's so good. I just can't. I don't make. I don't care. [00:49:48] Speaker B: Fun. Like I. He. He. Again, slippery little weasel, man. I. I love this guy. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Exactly. He's so good. He's like, I'm a cowardly queer. And they're like, see the cowardly queer? And I'm just like, no. That's how you survive a toxic environment with this clearly upset, manly, toxic, masculine dude who wants to beat my queer ass. Like, I'm. I'm gonna back away. You know, it's de escalation. [00:50:12] Speaker B: I'm gonna roll around. One of my best girls is gonna give you some pocket sand. Yeah, like I. The femme solidarity. I'm like, living. [00:50:24] Speaker A: It's so good. Yeah, they got it. Got his back. That's his real life wife at the time too, Mark. That's Marlena. [00:50:32] Speaker B: And she in her big cigar camp icon. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Like, oh, absolutely. It'll please you to know that in the modern times, they're the dark chic trans wrestler. Trans woman wrestler. Came out to at a queer wrestling event dressed like Marlena with a giant blunt instead of the cigar. [00:50:56] Speaker B: I'm like, elated. Yeah, that's awesome. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Dark sheet rules. Wrestling is gay, folks. Wrestling is queer. And now we get to do it, like, outwardly instead of being called bizarre. [00:51:15] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:51:17] Speaker A: I love watching bugs, like, react to that information. This is so. That's the legacy of gold dust. This is a great match for what it is, though. Jake's great. This is definitely one. It's like, you know, if you want to check it out, check it out. I check it out. If only for pocket sand alone and fem solidarity. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Immaculate pocket sand. Like, that's. [00:51:43] Speaker C: I. I do have a spoiler warning if you do decide to check this match out, which, uh, it carried a lot more weight at the time, but Jerry Lawler fully spoils the first Mission Impossible movie on commentary for this match. [00:51:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:59] Speaker C: And that movie had not even been out a full month in theaters at this point. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Yes, I looked that up too. Thank you. Silent. I was like, are you kidding me right now? So, like, we should talk about that. Yeah, right. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Like. Like, in hindsight, it's. Yeah, it's the first Mission Impossible. Like, fully, fully. Like, for, like, no reason. [00:52:23] Speaker A: Like, I think there was a reason. I believe there was a reason. I have my theory. [00:52:29] Speaker C: I mean, the only thing I could think is to get him heat. He already got heat for the squash that he did earlier in the night. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Like, so here's my thoughts. It's multifold. There's layers to this bullshittery. Because, like, he, Lawler proceeds to, like, just give away the ending of Mission Possible, like we said. And I, I, it starts with what I assume is Tom Cruise and Goldust are both flaming homosexuals joke. Because this was. [00:52:57] Speaker B: Yes, that was. Yeah, I, I, if I recall correctly, does lead with a comparison to Cruz. [00:53:04] Speaker A: Yes. And, and because, like, yeah, well, was saying they went to see it been like, he's in love with Tom Cruise. Cruise or some. And like, I remember as a kid during this time at the Big Thing was Tom Cruise's gay. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe he's, I think he's seen one up close. But, like, he's, he could just be in a cult, you know, like, these things happen. So, like, I don't know. The movie was good. I'm a kid. I don't care. So, yeah, he goes with he, but he leads in with that. And I was just like, okay, that's whatever. But then he just tells the whole plot. Plot. And all I can think of is that this is. He says he will give away the end of this match, even. And I think that this is them doing, like, a Laurel and Hardy version of. I'm not mad at Eric Bischoff, who has been continuing to spoil RAW results. Bugs. Because Raw is not live. Nitro is live. Raw is taped. Yeah. So every once in a while when it, when Bischoff is feeling frisky, he'll, like, he would, like, start the broadcast by, like, giving away all the results on Raw so that people would just stay watching them because it aired at the same time. [00:54:14] Speaker B: That's insane. [00:54:16] Speaker A: That's Dirty pool is what. [00:54:20] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, that's, that is some shit slinging. But I do kind like, like, I love a messy queer. [00:54:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's like, I kind of can't help but, like, like, like, if. [00:54:32] Speaker B: Again, if, if we're thinking about, like, the totality of, like, that, that's, that's just kayfabe. Like, that's part of it. Like, like that is part of the experience of, like, broader fandom. Shit. Like, I, I, I, I'm sorry. I think that's brilliant. I Think that's so funny. I like, that's like, it's. It's fucked up. It probably sucked at the time, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And also. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, right. No, and I. I have come around on that because like, at the time it was like, oh, man, I can't believe you're doing that. Like that. So that's dirty pool. But we're in an arms race. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker A: At this point. [00:55:13] Speaker B: And like. And that's the kind of thing you can't like get now with like this type of entertainment just because like everything is streaming. Everything's like. Not like you don't have this kind of like, like, like stakes and like cultural zeitgeist element to things like that. I think, like, I'm sorry, I can't help but kind of love how fucking messy that is. [00:55:33] Speaker A: It's really wild and. And it gets messier. Ends up blowing back on him. Which sometimes Messi does that. Yeah. [00:55:41] Speaker B: No, but that. That's a good storyline too. Like. Like this. This bitch is never not crafting the narrative. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Like basically. Yeah. [00:55:49] Speaker B: It's like, hi, sorry. I like, I love Drag Race and so like, I love when any like doing her own and kind of like trying to be a producer. And I'm like, that's just this. That's like, let's go. [00:56:02] Speaker A: Exactly. And I mean. Yeah. Silent again. Hitting the. The visuals here has dropped us a picture of Eric Bischoff. Look at that. Put him. Look at that. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Oh, this dude. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Wrong. This guy. Look at that messy little cheesy freak. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he was really odd to something. So that. That was a big old volume. [00:56:27] Speaker B: I'm a little. I'm a little stinker. [00:56:30] Speaker C: He's pointing out his dimples. He literally had a run of like doing a bit of male modeling before he landed his WCW gig. [00:56:37] Speaker B: Like, he looks like a maniacal little elf man. Why did we not lead with that? Why did we. He's just a little Fae trickster. Easter boy. Yes. Let him spoil everything. Let him spoil the ham. No, I love it. [00:56:53] Speaker A: Oh, so wild. Yeah, absolutely. But that's what I think that. That's what I think they're going to. But in the meantime, they just ruined Tom Cruise's movie for. For however many million people. Like, okay, cool. [00:57:06] Speaker B: What the. Yeah, yeah. It not being up for a month is crazy. [00:57:10] Speaker A: It's a hell of a way to make a point. I think that that also speaks to. To like the level of. Of edgelord prick that you are dealing with here. Yeah, Like Vincent Lawler literally just like I don't care. Like I don't. I'm not going to be considered of anyone our fans. Like I want to make a point and get, and get something across on Eric Fish out Splashback. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Yeah, no, like, like, because I like that's not spoiling wrestling, man. Like I, I have so much less respect for that type of like headassery. [00:57:40] Speaker A: That specific head assery. Yeah. To back to the graph headassery. Though, like we mentioned, this ends with gold dust blinding Jake with his pocket dust. Knocks him out, gets him knocked out for three. But Harvey Whippleman, the ref sees the dust and during Pride he does this, he reverses the decision. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Yeah, that was up. That was up. [00:58:02] Speaker A: No, it's a crime. The crowd is happy though because cis normativity has prevailed and Jake even DDT's them for good measure after the fact. [00:58:10] Speaker C: I have questions about this reversing the decision thing. Oh, so we, we threw back to in your house where Harvey Whippleman had done the same thing. I forget who with but like where he had noticed that that fuckery had happened and reversed the decision in order to disqualify the fuckerer and instead award the fuckery. [00:58:30] Speaker A: I think this is going to continue to be bad form. Yeah, yeah. [00:58:33] Speaker C: So this is a, this is a storyline that they're building here. But like, what does this do to the reputation of every other wrestler in the history of professional wrestling? If it was always on the table that they could have, upon noticing that there was cheating involved, reversed the decision and simply chose not to. [00:58:52] Speaker A: This is why they will never have instant replay because it will ruin all the storytelling. Speaking of storytelling though, we wrap up this weird Raw, we go back to my countryman, Mr. Perfect, speaking to Corny in his perfect beautiful Minnesotan accent to find out who the special referee will be for the king of the ring between British cuckold Davey Boy Smith and Shawn Michaels. Turns out the referee is perfect. Mr. Perfect. Kurt Henning will be the special red. They do a dastardly laugh on their way out to out to black. Final thoughts on Raw before we move on to the nitro, anyone? [00:59:31] Speaker B: Pocket sand, baby. [00:59:35] Speaker C: Overall, a good Raw. They've improved. They're already improving the product a lot from one year ago. [00:59:41] Speaker A: Absolutely. I do want to give them credit on that. If we're going to be critical at all, we gotta give the positives as well. I suppose it's, it's much better because like, as rough as that was, Bugs, it was real bad a year ago. Real bad. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Without it being too much a digression. How, how. What's the. The comparison? [01:00:01] Speaker C: Mostly squash matches. [01:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah, lots of no name jobbers. Like people who just like they're just in there to make their guy look good. [01:00:11] Speaker C: My first episode on this show, the main event, was Bret Hart, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, in a cage match against Isaac Yankum, dds, a wrestling dentist. [01:00:24] Speaker A: A wrestling dentist. Yes. And Jerry the Lawler was in a shark cage above the ring. And the whole like, the whole match was about. Like the store was. Again, it's about anything but the wrestling. You have one of the best wrestlers in the world. It's about. And we're gonna make it about anything but that. So it's getting better in that aspect that they do that a little less. And the graps are overall better. And that is. That's nice. But it was real bad nitro though. Nitro is cooking. [01:00:55] Speaker B: Nitro's fucking gas. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Arrested? What do you mean she was arrested? Dr. Rack, I don't have to remind you the trouble our beloved boss could get in if our activities get out. To say nothing of the fact that someone has to remind the listeners to like, rate and subscribe to the show. Everywhere they listen. Hell, they can drop a comment if they're able so that the capitalist will notice the show and give us some of their asshole money to redistribute to the queers this pride. All not assholes. They can give not asshole [email protected] to keep the show going and avail themselves of the various bonus episodes. All right, call me when you have her. I guess I could start working on a new clone to promote things in case Gawk is truly in the wind. Hey, do we have any more of that junior DNA from the last Sooners game left? It is gassed. We start live with the Blazer Boys, Tony and Larry. They tell us about the Great American Bash tonight before. And at the time we were supposed to record this, we hadn't watched it yet. Now we have. So I have a bunch of jokes and callbacks in my notes that no longer makes sense. So let's. Let's just get over that. We got to actually watch this again. Patreon, go check that out. And it was a wild night. This whole opening, though, is just them kind of recapping all the. It's like, here's your news. Yeah. With the Blazer Boys, Tony and Larry, living legend. And they let us know that they, the Outsiders, murdered Eric Bischoff live on pay per View, which, you know, good for them. There's blood and guts. For some reason. There was free range chickens everywhere. It was weird. Silo, what was your favorite part about the pay per view that we totally watched? [01:02:47] Speaker C: I think it was Scott hall referring. Referring to himself as the medium sized man. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:58] Speaker C: And the medium sized man. And then telling Eric Bischoff that you don't jack us around. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Yes. So go check that out because you can get that in. Even more accidental homoeroticism from Scott Hall. This is a guy who, when he was in the Fed, told Goldust, I don't want your belt, I want your ass. And he was supposed to be the straight one. [01:03:20] Speaker B: You know what? I. I don't blame him. [01:03:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. It was a fine ass. He's got great ass. Check out what, WrestleMania 12 to see him in lingerie. Fair warning, you have to get through a hate crime to get to it, but it's. It's worth it. And some O.J. simpson jokes. A lot of them. And footage. Actual O.J. simpson chase footage. God, wrestling bugs. Welcome to my nightmare the 90s. [01:03:52] Speaker B: Like, we have everything. [01:03:55] Speaker A: Yeah, we have everything. Yeah. We have pocket sand. [01:04:01] Speaker B: We have OJ Simpsons. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Here we have Mon. Steve Mango McMichael turning heel and joining the Four Horsemen. Yeah. For firmly replacing the departed Pillman, who was very happy about it. And this is also where the Outsiders confirmed again, due to a court order, that they do not work for the Fed anymore. They were ambiguous about that until Vince took in the court and said, you have to make sure people know they're not working for me because again, this is a war. So that's all going on. But yeah, they're. They're bragging about the size of their Mengs and the want to know who the three guys are. In pure Carney fashion, they cut off the footage just as Scott hall is a hits Bischoff in the gut. And they're like, we'll tell you about everything else later. And I'm like, television. That's good television. [01:04:56] Speaker B: That was the entire episode's directing is just like, they're odd. They really are so tight. Like, that's another. [01:05:05] Speaker C: We didn't point this out, but like just the. On the production side. WCW Nitro starts off so far ahead of Raw. And Raw has really made a lot of advantage dances since this. Yeah, it's had to. [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. The old intro was all like seven of them were rough. They couldn't decide on one. But yeah. And the graphs, I'm gonna say are better over here. Because we start with Rick Puppy Boy Steiner versus Stevie Ray. And this is like the. The sequel to last week where their tag team partners fought each other. I enjoyed this very much. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Enjoyed the hell out of this. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Loved this throwing meat. [01:05:46] Speaker C: I loved Stevie Ray with the tits out singlet. [01:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I. That was so hunty. I'm like, I like the first shot. I'm like that slutty little corset with the like. I'm like, girl. [01:05:59] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:06:00] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:06:01] Speaker B: He's like constantly striking like great poses. Like this man is playing every goddamn thing angle. So I'm. [01:06:08] Speaker A: I go, go off. [01:06:12] Speaker B: I just the. The artistry Stevie's displaying. I'm like, let's go, man. [01:06:19] Speaker A: Like just so good. [01:06:21] Speaker C: Stevie Ray does not get enough flowers. Like, I get that his work rate isn't up to rate with a lot of other people, but he had a lot of what you needed to get over that. [01:06:30] Speaker B: Batman had showmanship. [01:06:31] Speaker A: Let's like both of them, him and Booker, that's why they. They were staples. And. And I think he also doesn't get a lot of flowers either because his tag team partner is Booker T. Yeah. And who's like, I don't necessarily. Oh, God. The caveat. He says a lot of stupid on his podcast and don't we all. But I wasn't, you know, one of my favorite wrestlers growing up. So yeah, it's understandable. But he uses this opera opportunity. Folks. Watch this match. It's only like two minutes long. It's a two minute meaty men match and they throw so much goddamn meat. Huge belly to belly overheads, hard clotheslines. Early on that I didn't think was like, like Stevie Ray turned Rick inside out with a clothesline. I didn't think Rick could move like that. [01:07:25] Speaker B: It was. Oh, I get just both these performers, like, let's go. Like, holy. This was some nuts ass choreo. [01:07:39] Speaker A: And this is still in the era where they're probably like dictating that choreo to each other in the ring on the floor. [01:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:07:47] Speaker A: And that's. Oh, I love that so much. I love. That's why I know we will be starting a show talking about modern wrestling and AEW folks still do a lot of that too, but modern wrestling because of the Fed and what Vince did. What Vince did to pro wrestling. We'll get there. Get to the point where now a lot of guys will. Will. It'll all be worked out and choreographed and like, cool. Sure, fine. I like it better this way. I'm old and these Two. It's. It's because of this. They just go out there and like, I firmly believe these two are trying to murder each other. And it ends quick. Just. And again, the ending is just a stiff clothesline from. From Ricky Boy to. For three. Like, that's it. Just. I'm just gonna knock your goddamn head off with my big meefy meaty man arm. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Like just. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Your block knocked. So, yeah, the. The celebration is brief, though, because we talked about him. Here comes Booker and he's like, I too, will kick your head off, Rick. And then Scooter Pie has to come out to save his brother on the way to commercial. So, yeah, it was a good little, like, just right off the bat. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Just better like, like as a. As a cold open, functionally, like, that's just like, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go. Like, yeah. Blood pumping. Everyone's cheering. It's like, that's just like. It's just a good match. [01:09:17] Speaker A: Absolutely. And it could have been ruined by what it was immediately followed by. Because it's disco time. If we get early shades of. Of Tony Shivani in. In. In things that he does now in. Aw. That I love because he's just having none of this. Like, he's g. He's like, he's. Tony Ships is giving him like, the Jericho now treatment. Just this guy. Like, I hate everything about this. Inferno watches music back after they turn it off. Instead he gets this like, desperado Joe Gomez. Music. This is a newcomer, according to Larry. I. I look forward to watching because I. I'm guessing disco's gonna get physically harmed. I hope so. This match, sickos, I'm gonna be real with you. Three minutes and 22 seconds of sucking. It sucked hard. Gil was not a good wrestler. Disco cannot wrestle. [01:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I was like, super hyped. [01:10:22] Speaker C: Then I'm like, I have a single note on this match and it is Joe Gomez's hair. [01:10:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:10:32] Speaker A: I wrote that. He seems like a nice enough guy that really likes Faith no more. [01:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I look, I. Now what. What would they have dropped in 96? What would have been the most recent album? [01:10:45] Speaker A: I don't even know. But no there that he ruled. He. He was like, he's gotta fight the worst jobber in history. Jobbers. And I feel bad for him because he's like, seems all right. Almost mercifully, though, disco waits too long to get the pen and Joe just reverses it for the thing three. That. That was the first match was like, quick and hot and dirty and. Yeah. And the second one was quick and sloppy and gross and bit of a slo. [01:11:16] Speaker B: It's like getting served a hot Pocket after, like. [01:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Meaty meat. But the choco. Right away, they tell us that Hulk called from Hollywood because we have to make it about Hogan. It's been like, what, 10 minutes? He's got to be mentioned. He's gonna toss his name in the hat against the outsiders. Well, we'll see. Sure. Jan is one of those moments. Sure. In the next exposition corner with Mean Jean. This time, he does it in the locker room surrounded by three beautiful women in sparkly dresses. And also, Ric Flair is there. Uh, he's also sparkling and colorful and blonde as its pride. Ric Flair is, I have to say, is a monster. I'm choosing to view this as three bisexual girls and their token femboy having a sweet hang. It makes me feel better about the whole thing. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:12:14] Speaker A: Because in reality. Yeah. So he's got more wife in his collection. He now has Mongo's wife in his wife collection going forward. Woo. The women are making Gene uncomfortable, which always makes me glad. Woman especially loves to flirt with Gene on Mike to try to throw him off because he is a dirty, perverted old man, apparently. And he asked why Deborah did the heck and heel turn, and she's like. I was like, you know what, Deborah? I agree with you. Because she's like, money and women, Gene. I did it for money and women. I was like, yeah, among us. Among us. Thunderous applause. [01:13:01] Speaker B: That says money, and then it drops down and women. [01:13:04] Speaker A: And women. Oh, why would you say something so controversial yet so brave? And then Rick steps up to the mic to let us know what went down. And drugs. He confirms he stole Mongo and he stole Macho's wife still. And he's kissing up on woman, and he's gonna kick Macho's ass and all the same things. Good stuff. Woo. Bugs is someone who's more or less unfamiliar. How does Ric Flair make you feel? [01:13:36] Speaker B: I'm gonna be entirely honest. It took me a while to figure out if this was also homophobia. [01:13:45] Speaker C: So kind of there. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Like. Like it. It seemed like that was. [01:13:49] Speaker C: Yeah. It doesn't get talked about a lot, and I'm gonna blank on his name. So Ric Flair is the inheritor of the nature Boy gimmick. [01:13:56] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:57] Speaker C: Was that. [01:13:58] Speaker A: There was several, actually. [01:13:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Yes. [01:14:00] Speaker C: But a lot of that is influenced heavily by Gorgeous George back in, like, the 50s, who was sort of like the. The. The prototypical Fancy man who is a bad guy because he, you know, look at him. He's got all of these sequined robes. He's got, like, the. The coiffed hair. [01:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He Basically, it was 1940s, 50s, metrosexual, and TV existed for the first time. And he got. He helped get wrestling big on TV because he's this spectacle, but he's the proto gold dust. He. He's where it all comes from. And. And, well, that. And also, there's an entire culture of that in Lucha. Look into los exoticos. It's a whole thing. Basically. Smear the queer. It's a whole thing. But, uh, yeah, then there's Cassandra. I could go off. But eventually in the 90s, one of the queers smeared back, and it was revolutionary. And I honestly think that's where we get gold dust. They did a whole movie about it. But, yeah, no, he started as the original Nature Boy was kind of working off of that, and then he inherited it. But Ric Flair, and when he got it, decided, I'm gonna do like a. Basically like a pimp. Almost like. Like this hardcore womanizer. Styling and profiling. I got all the money, so I got all the women, because all women want is money. And, like. And he just really leaned into that really hard. And it's funny because, like, when you learn more about him, you realize that the real Richard Fleer, who grew into Ric Flair was not like that. Like, he grew up chubby. Like, he was. Like, he. He has a really messed up background. Like, he was basically stolen into adoption. Like, like, really crazy. So, like, not like a. A style and profiling guy, but, like, he became. Over time, it got to the point where we are now watching this. In 1980, 96, he became Ric Flair. And now he just. Is that, like. So it's like. It is in fact, the. Is this gay, but not because he went so hard. Like, he styled himself like that. But he went so hard into the womanizing to be like, no homo. No homo. No homo. No homo, no. [01:16:22] Speaker B: Yeah, but, like, if you go that hard into the no homo, my first thought is like, girl, maybe a little bit to homo. [01:16:30] Speaker A: But yeah, that's. That was. His whole thing is like, I'm g. Go so hard the opposite way and try to be this thing that I'm not. And. And he. I guess he did. [01:16:40] Speaker C: Me thinks the Nature Boy do protest. [01:16:42] Speaker B: Too much a hair too much a hair too much. [01:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Me. Me thinks that he needs to stop trying to eat woman's arm because it makes Me very uncomfortable. But we come back from him doing that to his brethren's theme banger, the Horseman theme with Arn and Chris Benoit. What a team. Oh, God. Chris Benoit. [01:17:05] Speaker B: All that was. I was like that. I'm like, I know that name. Oh, no. [01:17:09] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's just my next question. But yeah, no, it's Art. Anderson and Benoit against the American males. It's two of my favorite WCW theme songs fighting each other. The males come out, and I can smell the food court at the mall just looking at them. And we start with Benoit, Marcus Bagwell, of all people. They give us like 45 seconds of, like, really awesome, almost chain wrestling. Like, really solid cruiserweight exchanges. And I was like, okay, okay. Benoit spirals into a bump off of Iniguri from Bagwell. Like, everyone's given 100%. I even like Scotty Riggs. So sickos. I, I'm going to say right away, before we even get further into this, watch this one. I like this one. [01:17:53] Speaker B: It's a good one. It's a good one. [01:17:54] Speaker A: Good one. Yeah. I was gonna say everyone else, like this match. Thoughts on Arne Anderson and Chris Benoit versus the American boys. [01:18:01] Speaker C: I, I mean, I definitely. One of my notes here. I wish we had seen more of Arn Anderson and Chris Benoit tag teaming. We get it sometimes, but this would, I would have loved seeing this, like, every week. [01:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah, this kicked ass. Like, just again, watching it, like, fully in a vacuum, I'm like, I, I don't think I've ever, I haven't watched any, like, tag team in a second. And I'm like, this is cool. This is like, this is very well done. They're really utilizing the whole ring, like. Yeah. [01:18:33] Speaker A: And utilizing rules and utilizing breaking the rules strategically. [01:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:37] Speaker A: Dramatic story. [01:18:39] Speaker B: It, like, there is an ebb and flow of the action in this that. [01:18:42] Speaker A: I'm like, let's like that, that's the bugs. [01:18:46] Speaker C: I'm just interested. Sort of like the visual of Arne Anderson. What, what sort of impact were you getting from him? [01:18:52] Speaker B: Deeply Canadian. [01:18:53] Speaker C: Deeply. [01:18:57] Speaker A: Famously Kayfabe Minnesotan. Well, I think he's Kayfabin, so I forget where Arden actually is from. [01:19:05] Speaker C: A Waffle House. [01:19:06] Speaker A: A Waffle House. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Yeah, he was, he, he's given, he's given Midwest. And I, I, I love that for him. [01:19:13] Speaker A: Yeah. As though he was born of, of the batter of the Waffle House. Yeah, they, they, they threw a bunch. They threw batter on the shape of an Ar. Anderson on the griddle. And then next thing you know, he's here and he's teaching shop class. And. [01:19:31] Speaker B: He looks like an uncle. I like. [01:19:34] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. He looks like an uncle. God, I love him. And it's. It's fantastic. And, like, I'm happy you brought the. The great tag team of it all. And earlier you talked about camp, and it made me think of, like, a notable spot here and, like, reasons I love Arn. His selling through this whole entire match is worth noting, like, from beginning to end. Oh, yeah, he's making them look brutal, but he's doing it camp. He sells spec. He's selling specifically is camp. Like, on backdrops out of reversals, he, like, stops to go, like, in. [01:20:08] Speaker B: Before we go over, there's something almost like Bugs Bunny. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Cartoony. Oh, well, no wonder you love them. It's bugs on bugs, bugs on bugs. So, no, absolutely everything he does where he gets punched, and he's like, bewilder, bewildered and falling on his ass and like, God, I love that. And there's a lot of that. So. Absolutely. Check this one out. And the tag team. This of it all was great because it ends with good heel. Benoit is tossing Scotty around, rope to rope, and. And he bounces him off the ropes towards Arn, and Arn sneaks an elbow and hit him in the back of the head from the outside. And then when he drops down to cover him, he holds his. His heel to get the pin, and it's like, there. That's the tag team wrestling. Like, I agree, silent. I want more of that tag team. [01:20:58] Speaker C: I will say there was one moment which was just, like, got a big wince out of me from knowing, like, what's going to be happening down the line. But Benoit delivering that diving headbot headbutt, and then the pin getting broken up by a kick to the back of his head, just like, oh, yeah, that was. [01:21:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm like, that's. [01:21:16] Speaker A: We'll. We'll add that on to that list we started last week. Based off of the. There's a letterboxed for wrestling now called Drop Kicked. And I looked on it, and the first thing you see is someone's list of matches where you go, list of Chris Benoit matches that make you go. Yeah, that's. What did. Was just like, that's. That's almost. I'm almost stealing that for like, a. A section of the show is because those two specifically, every time he does the drop. The drop dropping headbutt, and he got kicked so hard in the back of the goddamn. [01:21:50] Speaker B: No, like. Like, I was watching this with. With my partner, and as soon as he Was announced. I'm like, wait. Holy. That guy. Wait, it's that guy. And she's like, who? And I'm like, I'm pretty sure he, like, hold on. He's got a Wikipedia page. Let me. [01:22:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And sure enough, when we get to Exposition Corner with Gene, they. They. They're talking to everybody about. And aren't. Does his promo. It's good. Then they get to Benoit and, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. He can't. He was never great on the mic, but I can't help but think that he's got. Because, like, we watched him hit his head on the concrete a couple months ago from this. Like, he can't be doing well because he's trying to give this promo. And he says that, like, the Horsemen are about guts, pauses, glow, glamour, and glory. And I was like, yeah, like, you see? Stopping for, like, he's not doing good. So already. And it's 1996, but, yeah, Benoit has memory issues and probably shouldn't be on the mic. Really. Shouldn't be in the ring. Shouldn't be on the mic. But up next, John Tenta and half of his mullet tell us that this feud is still going on, and I hate it. It's still happening because this is. We. We have this match last night, the night before it, in on the pay per view, and we have this match, like, the week before, and, like, they just keep going back to it, but John Teta is fighting Big Bubba. Totally not Boss man for 4 goddamn minutes and 41 that I can't get back. I was taken aback, though, by last episode's guest Alex Steed's love for Jimmy Hart. And, like, that's kind of become my new litmus test. So, like, bugs, did the image of Jimmy Hart fill you with delight or disgust? [01:23:41] Speaker B: I'm gonna need you to talk my memory. Which one was this guy? That was Jimmy. [01:23:45] Speaker A: Jimmy Hart is the. The. The jumpy little squeaky puppy. [01:23:51] Speaker B: The little guy? [01:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:23:54] Speaker B: No, I was so. Oh, my God. I'm like. I'm like, he's got a buddy, and his buddy has his face on the back of his jacket. Let's go. What is this little dude? [01:24:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:08] Speaker C: The mouth of the South. [01:24:09] Speaker A: The mouth of the South. The tulpa brought to existence. Yeah. I need a manager. Yeah, I'm here, buddy. [01:24:18] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I'm like, okay. That. That. Okay. Yeah. [01:24:23] Speaker A: Fantastic. So, Alex, that's one more notch in the count towards. We need to do a Jimmy Hart deep dive. [01:24:33] Speaker B: I apologize for any peeking that might have. [01:24:37] Speaker A: I Know the girl. Editing. It's fine. [01:24:41] Speaker C: There's also the other thing that Jimmy Hart exists for, apart from being a manager, is if you need an entrance to theme that sounds a lot like a copyrighted piece of music but is legally distinct. Jimmy Hart, your man. [01:24:54] Speaker A: Jimmy Hart's a Grammy Award winning musician, believe it or not. Yeah. Because he wrote songs for Nashville folk. And that's also the reason why don't pay too much attention to our theme song. But music. [01:25:09] Speaker C: No music for John Tentha tonight. [01:25:11] Speaker A: None. They're just giving up on the guy. They have completely given up on this man. They took away shark gimmick with which, you know, okay, they took away half his hair. They're just letting him fight this guy over and over again. And I'm very sad because John Tenta is like, he was like an award. He was like a. A beloved sumo wrestler. He was like a. A football player who I'm pretty sure I, I can't remember if he went to the super bowl or not, but like, he's a legit athlete and they're just like, done with him. It's. This match sucks. I. I'm. I. That's all I got. This match sucks. I don't want to see it again, folks. Don't want. If you've seen these two fight once you've seen it all, like, there's some. [01:25:51] Speaker C: Weird commentary stuff during the match that feels like this isn't intended to be transphobia, but it's got an air of transphobia. Larry Sibisco has a line of. Tenta needed weeks of psychotherapy to realize he's not actually a fish. [01:26:05] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:07] Speaker C: And then at the end of the match, Big Bubba says, once a man, always a man. I'm like, hold on. Yeah. [01:26:13] Speaker A: No, the way he said he's like, once a man, always a man. And after the camera caught a big shot of his rebel flag tattoo and I was just wrote down here. Nuh. Turns out, no. [01:26:28] Speaker B: Fun. [01:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah, fun fact. Ask me about it. But yeah, Larry was on one. Uh, he says John Tenta is the size of the national debt, which is a legit, solid Heenan style of way of saying he's a big dude. I was like, I would give you that. That's. That's almost Bobby approved. Like, that was a solid one. Because I was like, okay, that's a good way of saying is a big D without calling him like a fat ass or something, which is what Lawler would have done, Right. But then he calls him a whale and ruins it. I'm like, Ah, God damn. [01:26:59] Speaker B: Like, like immediately after. [01:27:02] Speaker A: Yeah, you had a good one and then you threw it away. [01:27:06] Speaker B: I think, like, they keep bringing like £500 up constantly. I'm like, hey, man, that's. [01:27:11] Speaker A: You could. And that's. Yeah. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Get creative. [01:27:14] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a big guy, but also, you've seen him do, like, amazing. And we all know he's £500. [01:27:22] Speaker B: It's. That's not like, it's not interesting. [01:27:26] Speaker A: It really isn't. And he follows it up shortly after with a bit of general 90s misogyny. He's telling Macho and everyone else to sign a prenup because. [01:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:38] Speaker A: Was paid off with Macho's money. They're continuing on that. This is more of this. More of this awful. Like, we needed more of this gimmick. Another gimmick to get fed to this feud. And like, everyone loves. It's really going well. It's. It's. It's going even more over. It's. It's wonderful. So now they're going to introduce the loaded sock gimmick to these two. I hate all of it. On top of everything else that was happening on Commentary, the idea being that there's a sock full of coins that he uses. Like, almost like a blackjack. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:14] Speaker A: Now, like, this freaked me the out because, like, I don't know if Bubba is getting a receipt for something. My understanding is that John Tanto was a pretty beloved guy. Like, he's like a family man. He's a good dude. Like, people try. Famously tried to shoot on him in Japan and he held his own. Like, he's a tough dude, but, like, there's. You shouldn't have any reason to hate John Tenta. But, like, he laid into him with this. At one point, he, like, whales him in the eye with the sack of coins and you can like, see it hit and it looked. And like he eventually just kind of lays there and covers his face and hopes that stops. Like, it was really brutal and like, not a fun way. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:00] Speaker A: I didn't like that. [01:29:01] Speaker B: No, it's because there's. There's nothing like theatrical about this violence. Like, there's. There's. [01:29:06] Speaker A: There's. [01:29:07] Speaker B: There's like fighting and then there's, like, violence. And this was just like, violence. [01:29:11] Speaker A: And if it in sometimes depending on the people involved. Yeah, like, that's what deathmatch wrestling is. It's like you got two people who are like, no one told us what kink was. So we do this and we're both consenting to this. And it's like, all right, yeah, yeah. [01:29:29] Speaker B: No, but, like, it's the consent side, though. Like, I think that that's. It's like, this doesn't feel like what he signed up for. [01:29:36] Speaker C: No. [01:29:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:37] Speaker C: Not at all. [01:29:38] Speaker A: Not at all. And while it's happening, Jimmy Hart's just jumping up and down, doing his excited puppy thing. [01:29:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:29:44] Speaker A: It's just. It's gross. [01:29:46] Speaker B: Scrappy do ass. Holy. [01:29:55] Speaker A: That might. No, that might have to be the intro. Oh, my God, Bugs. That's the best thing I've ever heard about Jimmy Hart. [01:30:12] Speaker B: Kill yourself, man. [01:30:17] Speaker A: He's killed his career. He's hanging out with Hulk Hogan again. So there you go. But after this, we could go to Exposition Corner again with me and Gene. We got Bubba screaming into his mic again. Just calls, 10 to fat. Says, if you don't believe that I kicked his ass last night, a great American bash. There's a replay which is just like. Okay, is this a promo or is this Eric telling you, go sell the replay? Good stuff. Fantastic marketing, Bubba. Well, I love it. We come back and purple Macho man is pacing in the locker room now. This is great. Bugs, I'm so happy I invited you on for. For this, because you get to see Macho and Gene, and, like, Macho and Gene is a thing like. Like these two doing promo together. Like, Macho is constantly trying to crack him up, I think. Yeah. [01:31:06] Speaker B: Oh, it was. [01:31:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:31:08] Speaker A: Great. Yeah. Like, basically is. You can tell. And the Jean's, like, trying not to. And also, give it back. So he ask him what his plan is, and he's like, what his plan? There is no plan. Yeah. I'm gna. Take my time. And he's not going to go away. And he admits that he's not all there and not all there. [01:31:30] Speaker B: I've been diagnosed with ocd. [01:31:33] Speaker A: I'm one cool dude. Yeah. It made him see us. I'm like. [01:31:38] Speaker B: I'm like, hold up, man. That. But don't know about that. But also, like, that's pretty good. [01:31:42] Speaker A: That's pretty good. Write that down. Yeah. [01:31:46] Speaker C: He also. He, like, really specified. Made sure we all know that he saw a woman psychiatrist. [01:31:52] Speaker B: Woman. [01:31:53] Speaker A: It was a lady psychiatrist. He's got to make that clear, too. I was only vulnerable around a woman. All right, we got. Oh, yeah. So that. That's the only thing I love is, like, Gene's like, can I ask you questions? Like, what's the question? Cut some offer again. It's like, just trying to make them fall apart. I. Yeah, I wanna. There are super cuts on YouTube of just those two doing this. And. And it's almost better than any like Laurel and Hardy at a certain. Like, like. And you. It's the two. It's one of the greatest comedic duos of all time. It's where you get the cream of the crop and all that is like, but so good. [01:32:39] Speaker C: I don't. I don't want to completely move away from the promo segment backstage because Macho man did use the word copacetic in a WCW wrestling. [01:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. I. I'm like. I was. I was like, hold up, 10 cent word. Like girl. Like, she's literate. [01:32:59] Speaker A: She's literate. [01:33:01] Speaker C: Genius runs in that family. [01:33:03] Speaker A: It is. Yeah. Yeah. His brother Lanny is the genius. He's the poet laureate of the Federation. He would come out and tell little poems and then get his ass kicked. It was great. So recipes, Lanny Papo. Weird. One of those guys who moved away to a country with laws that are laxed regarding the age of consent and we just don't think about it and died there happy next to Rand. No. What was that guy who was the guy who's on Radio Free Topeg who did The. The software? McAfee who went, oh, John McAfee. John McAfee. That k. It was like one of those sit us like he was a John McAfee guy was in the same country. Like we like. It was like he was like, they're like, why do you. And you call into like shoot interviews like, I just love it down here. It's beautiful. And they're like, why don't you come back to the States? No reason. I just love it down here. And it's like, okay, sure, Lanny. They're like, there isn't probably a war now for your arrest. That's some heinous. [01:34:11] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:34:13] Speaker C: So we don't like, we don't have nearly enough time to go into all of the weird shit John. Weird illegal shit that John McAfee was doing down there. [01:34:21] Speaker B: Oh, John McAfee. Like, there's a cornucopia. [01:34:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:27] Speaker B: If you got. If you got nothing to do, that's a great Wikipedia deep dive. [01:34:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Not. [01:34:33] Speaker A: I believe he showed up on our friend's show once. That's just the greatest thing of all time. [01:34:38] Speaker B: That's insane. [01:34:40] Speaker A: Legends go listen to Radio Free Topeg legends. Both of them former guest of the. The show. But yeah, so we. We come out and it's Macho man time. He's over. Bobby tries to join the booth, but Bobby is still scared of Macho man from the night before and Macho backs him all the way down the aisle. And it's crazy because Bobby's got like a rough neck, but he like falls out of the ring and takes a bump. Like, wow. Yeah, that's not something that Bobby does easily. So like I love that he went that hard for this, that to show that he's that, that scared of him. [01:35:16] Speaker C: Well, it's for Macho man, right? So that kind of makes sense that he would do it for him. [01:35:20] Speaker A: He would do it for Macho. Kyla. Bobby. Bobby's a good one. What a way to start the second hour. So Bobby's like out of breath and coughing when he gets back up to the booth. Like, why would you shut up to Tony? He says Savage is stalking people now. He's out of his mind. Said it's nature boy time. He. He comes out with the girls. Tony calls them the Witches of Eastwick, which I thought was a, a solid reference. Tony. One of my favorite George Miller films. Check it out. Yeah, good one. Maybe we do a watch party for that. I keep wanting to do movie watch parties for the Patreon, then just not doing it because I'm too busy. I gotta stop it. Tell me to stop making podcasts. No, I can't. No good. Do it content always be doing it. But yeah, so is good. Rick has a T shirt that he had made at Kinko's. It looks like it's saying mean green sack machine in the ring. [01:36:16] Speaker B: It's like girl, like cut one line. [01:36:18] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [01:36:19] Speaker B: It's just a mouthful. [01:36:22] Speaker C: Listen, if you want to know about a mouthful, just ask him about Space Mountain. Can you cut that? [01:36:30] Speaker A: No, no, no. I will cut a lot of my awkward shit. I'm leaving that in now. I had booze. We will shame you. But it's a cute little crop top and now we know that it's what Kevin Green was wearing the night before pay per view, so. [01:36:51] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:36:52] Speaker A: Yeah, he's holding it like a pelt. Pardon my cough. Yeah, so it's his trophy. Oh yeah, yeah. This is so silly. They're going for it. He does all of the things I hate. And finally though, it's like these two are gonna get to like actually get at it. Like just one on one. Because he's just been months of this bugs. It's just months of him getting on tv, talking about how much he's his ex wife and spending his alimony money. Months of this. It's. It's been. Sometimes it gets grading and sometimes it's the most brilliant I've ever seen. And mostly it's just me going, God damn it. I knees the night. But, yeah, so it's like, all right, this is great. He grabs the mic, though it's word salad time. I did have to take note of this. Macho. Every man in life must, at some point in time, experience the agony and the pain of defeat. And in your case, you are experiencing the pain of agony, which doesn't make sense. Defeats, kisses, limbs, Liz's arm, divorce. [01:38:07] Speaker B: I was so, like, sure, dude. Like, it's. Can we get a better writer? [01:38:13] Speaker A: No. Cocaine has the book. Cocaine is writing and is doing all of this. And, like, he's good at. At this in. Because he stops mid bullshitting to tell a random fan to shut his mouth. Punk. [01:38:26] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. Yeah, there we go. [01:38:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that was like, 70s Rick. Like, that was like, NWA champion Ric Flair coming through. Like, that was kind of that moment. I was, like, in. I was getting real sick of it because the. He's just rambling and talking about the pain of agony. And I was like, this sucks. And then he did that, and I was like, oh, I get it. Like, in that moment, I was like, that's why Ric Flair's. Ric Flair. Flair, Damn it. God damn it. Because, like, he came. He came from that kind of. That ability to. To. To know exactly when to do that is so good. [01:39:02] Speaker B: Absolutely. Pivot back to the. [01:39:05] Speaker A: Yeah. To the matter at hand. Yeah, the. That guy that's the matter at hand is you. I enjoyed this match so much, and I think Macho and Rick did, too. Like, Macho just is like this. I. I'm kicking his ass. Like, let's do this. It got a lot. It got so much in and done in 12 minutes. Like, and these two blow me away. Because we've seen this match so many times now on. On Nitro already. And every single time, I feel like I've seen them enough to be like, I know what they're gonna do. I know what they got. Every match is them getting their in, but every time, they find a new way to do it. That is just so goddamn entertaining. And I'm just like, this is why. This is why. Like, this is 12 minutes of why I love wrestling. But they blew me away. And it's. It's. Yeah, it's enough to see them fight. Every time I've decided, like, I'm gonna stop being amazed by it, you know? This match has everything. There's ref bumps, there's foreign objects, there's low blows repeated Finishers. Like, this is great. [01:40:13] Speaker C: We even got one of the rarest Ric Flair spots imaginable where he goes to the top rope and actually jumps. [01:40:19] Speaker A: Yes. He actually got the jump off instead of just getting thrown off. How did this match treat you, bugs? [01:40:27] Speaker B: I had a fucking blast. [01:40:28] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? [01:40:30] Speaker B: Like. Like, the spectacle, the. The. Like, the. The location changes. Like, we're gonna use the entire goddamn ring for this shit. We're gonna get the fucking. The. The. The. The crafty table with all. [01:40:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, the. [01:40:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. The VIP section. [01:40:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:45] Speaker B: The fucking champagne. I'm like, yeah. [01:40:49] Speaker A: Like, that is there for Rick and the Horseman specifically. That's where Rick goes to hang out when he's not kicking ass. [01:40:56] Speaker B: And so we gotta fuck that shit up. No, like. Like, it's environmental storytelling. Like, yes. This ruled. [01:41:03] Speaker A: It was so fucking great. In lots of notable spots, like, Rick uses his collective wives. Like. Like Pokemon. I was very happy. Woman used Shriek. It was super effective. Macho man became confused. Elizabeth used Chest chop. It was wild. Like, I was so happy. Macho fed Rick his dinner. It was very sweet. Lovingly, by hand. [01:41:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:41:29] Speaker A: Again, I could be tender. I can be vulnerable around men. It's fine. It was a great match, everyone. Check it out. I can't believe I'm saying it, since this is like the eighth time it's happened on this show. Watch Macho man and Ric Flair fight. It's great. The finish is great, too, for what it was. Eventually, while the ref is out, because again, Ref Bump Benoit comes out and gets dropped immediately. Then Arn comes out and gets dropped immediately, and I'm like, okay, Macho Mania running wild. Well, at this point, you're just feeding Horsemen to the Macho man. And then Elizabeth starts crying, you know? Yeah. [01:42:08] Speaker C: Finally, though, crying is definitely one of Ms. Elizabeth's four moves, by the way. [01:42:13] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. [01:42:15] Speaker B: It's an hm. You can't delete that. [01:42:17] Speaker A: Nope, nope, nope. Finally, though, Mago makes it count with two hits from his Halliburton, his weapon of choice in this. This era of. Of Horsemen. And he knocks poor Randall out, and Rick lays on him for the three. It's sad, but, you know, it. It's what was gonna happen because, you know, the. Either wrestling in this era, I've said before, I'll say it again, is all about cuckoldry. And. And they've got to continue with that. That in his money, I mean, it's Shakespearean. Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah. This is just theater in the round. [01:42:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. The chuckle had A pretty decent time. During this match, Bobby's on the table, so it was hard not to spend like my whole note section on the boys because, like, I just love them so much. But at one point, Bobby reminds everyone that if the ship is going down, he's a 4G. That means he goes before women and children. So I'm brand. [01:43:12] Speaker B: I. I had to pause it. I'm like, what did he know and when did he know it? [01:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:43:21] Speaker C: Where was Bobby Heenan on that? On that September morning in 2001? [01:43:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh my God. [01:43:28] Speaker B: Well, brisk Tuesday. [01:43:31] Speaker A: Well, there's so many layers to when. What did he know? When did he know it? Because he says that he's on a sinking ship. He gets off first and he's at wcw. Like that's going to be a sinking ship in about like three years from now. So. Yeah. Woo. It's so I got giddy on that. We get to go to commercial with Bobby doing a nice hardy. I was like, all right, he's back. I feel good. We took some time off. It was like, all right. I mean, I'm in. Like, that was where I was like, all right, I'm back into watching Nitro again. Let's go. Bobby's on his. And then it's exhibition quarter again. Mean Jeans expositioning so hard. He's in the locker room again, this time with Jimmy Hart again. So Puppy, uh, Scrappy Do's here, uh, Boston Bob, the taskmaster. He appears to have gotten the kicked out of him, like for real. Which he did, folks, because he fought Chris Benoit last night. And I'm pretty sure we folks, we watched that on the Patreon watch party and those two were, I think at this point those two have real beef already. They, they fought like, they just fought each other. He looks like, yeah, he did not have a good time. And all the while, Giant Paul White's making fart noises with his hands while he waits. [01:44:54] Speaker B: I could not pay attention to any of it because I'm just like, that's a huge guy. I'm like, you could fit one of these guys inside and pilot him like a Evangelion. Like, yeah, yeah. [01:45:07] Speaker C: He also looks like the most jacked I think, think I will ever see him possibly. Like, yeah, he is massive here. [01:45:14] Speaker B: Just a big dude lab of me. [01:45:17] Speaker A: Like big old dude. Like seven foot, seven foot four at this point to keep adding an inch. And I, I think I've actually, at some point we've seen Jimmy Hart actually ride him like piggyback. [01:45:32] Speaker B: He could eat him. [01:45:33] Speaker A: He could Eat good. He probably would grind his bones to make his bread. [01:45:41] Speaker B: Maybe he should. [01:45:42] Speaker A: I don't mean the meantime. G tells us that there are now clicks in the WCW and even outsiders. And I'm thinking those are actually the same. This whole bit was strange. Kevin Sullivan, also, it's hard to be menacing because, like, I want to repeat some of what he says here, but I think wrestling might be gay. I've been in violent fights my whole life. But last night when we fought around that arena and ended up in the men's room and downstairs when I was laying down and I was just. I just kind of. I got so hard, I blacked out. Like, I just don't. It's just like, what's going on here? Like, this is all very gay. Like, but it makes sense. When I then went and watched the Pay Per View, I was like, no, that. That actually kind of tracks. God, it's so weird. They keep doing that. It's. It's Giant's turn, though. He dares them. He implores them. One Horseman. Two Horsemen. Three Horsemen. Four Horsemen. It's a very weird promo. He paraphrases Humpty Dumpty. HE MUMBLES Choke slam. Yeah, I don't know what's going on here. [01:46:51] Speaker B: I. I like, because again, I could barely pay attention to any of it because I'm just like, this is like, just a huge guy. I didn't know they made them this big. And then he's like talking nursery rhymes. I'm like, am I stoned? [01:47:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Am I higher than I thought? Like, what's going on here? He really does want to fee 5 full from it. He's like, I Giant. [01:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, like, which, I mean, it's a good gimmick. I don't. I don't hate him for it. Like, work with what you got, man. But, like, Dumpty's a hell of a pole. That's. [01:47:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Please get better. Better mic skills. So, yeah, I think finally, no more of that. And then you mentioned Mortal Kombat. Yeah, all of. More important than all of that. There's new Glacier teaser and we get to see some of this Glacier guy now. And it is becoming clear that he is a Mortal Kombat dude. And this is absolutely what that is. Bugs. [01:47:48] Speaker B: Okay, that. That promo. Because I was like, are we like, I. I straight up was like, is this literally Mortal Kombat? [01:47:54] Speaker A: Like, that's what they're trying to legally, legally distinct. He is not sub Zero. He is Glacier. He's. He's White boy Sub Zero is what he is because Mortal Kombat is all the rage right now. So that's, that's what wrestling does. [01:48:13] Speaker B: Again. The, the brain branding, the synergy. It's. Let's go. [01:48:18] Speaker A: It's something else. Yeah. They know what to do. [01:48:21] Speaker C: It makes sense. [01:48:22] Speaker A: It does. [01:48:23] Speaker C: The, the execution, not to spoil anything, will leave quite a bit to be desired. But there was an idea here that could have worked really, really well. [01:48:31] Speaker B: I, I, you know what? That's almost even better. Like, I love that it kind of is a wet fart. [01:48:37] Speaker C: Would you. And I don't know, I'm going to go ahead and let you know. Bugs. What, this, what ends up happening. First of all, due to weird scheduling stuff, they end up running Blood Runs Cold ads for like, half a year before they actually bring Glacier in. [01:48:52] Speaker B: So happy. Oh, let's go. [01:48:57] Speaker A: That's why I'm happy that there was a new one, because they have been running the same ad that they spent all of their budget on the CGI for, for, like, over and over and over for. It's been like two and a half months already. [01:49:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So now we get to see him a little bit, but it's still gonna be like another three months. It goes before he actually shows up. [01:49:21] Speaker C: And then when he does show up, for kayfabe reasons, there is a blue light filtering down. It's like the only visible light in the arena, so it's really hard to actually see the match. They claim. I think they claim it's because, like, there's something about, like, the heat that the light produces is like, like, like harmful to him. Yeah, like, regular lighting would, like, hurt Glacier because he needs. Yeah, he needs the cold in order to. [01:49:48] Speaker A: There'd be, like, fake snow that would come down when he walked out. [01:49:52] Speaker B: I. Glacier, you would have loved Batman and Robin. [01:49:56] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:49:57] Speaker C: Like, two years before that movie. [01:49:59] Speaker A: Like, ahead of their time. And proof that you was ahead of his time. This guy still does the glacier gimmick. Yeah, he was at. I believe he was at the GCW clusterfuck that we talked about. [01:50:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:09] Speaker C: Yeah, that sounds like it. Yeah. [01:50:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I know that he did a heyew with RJ City, so I was like, that makes sense. They would all be in the same place. So. Yeah, he rode this terrible gimmick to. To present times. He's doing it finally, though, they've been teasing us and they show us the. The footage. It's all in the. Remember when Conan o' Brien used to do, like, the, the still story, like, the still photo story. And he'd show you all these ridiculous still photos and tell the story, like a story time. That's what they did with the Pay per View. Like, like run back. And it kind of rules because they show these stills of Bischoff getting Jackknife powerbombed off a stage. [01:50:53] Speaker C: It's a WCW animatic. [01:50:55] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, I want that. I want that. I want to be able to do the clicky. It was awesome. They also showed us Kevin Sullivan and Benoit actually in the men's room. You know, we weren't kidding. The great divorce ending commences. This whole segment was fucking awesome. They tell us who's going to get drawn to fight the Outsiders and their mysterious third man. And they're trying to like, tell us that that's coming up. And I'm like, I don't fucking care. It all fades away for me though, because there's more Mean Gene Times. And this time he is on the floor interviewing Ray Mysterio Jr. We've been doing this show for a year and it's been a year of me waiting for this moment. Bugs Ray Ray's here. So he fought Dean the night before. We got to watch on the, the pay per view. What a fucking match. Possibly match of the fucking night for the championship. And Malenko beat him, but he beat him by cheating, which is kind of wild for Dean Malenko. So it's rematch time on Nitro and I'm just like sweating at this point. I'm just losing my. So he's like, all right, let's, let's go one more time for, for my Latinos, my guy. And he promos in Spanish and I was like, that's. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah. Based Mean Gene. He then walks to the ring and we get my third favorite WCW theme song, which is the spooky Ray Ray song, because it's just. And it sounds like a Tim Burton movie. And also. And, and it pleases me. It's like the best. And it doesn't make sense because Ray Ray is not a scary guy. I don't understand it at all. He's a baby face. He's like 22. He looks 40, 14. And. Yeah, it's weird. Not long into the match though, that we watched on the Patreon a while ago. He, he was a while ago with former, uh, guest Arturo Garcia, a friend of the pod. He showed us where Ray Ray was before this, uh, at a CMLL match. And like, he's a big deal in Mexico. So it's kind of a Huge deal that WCW caught this guy at this point. And yeah, they give us a. They run it back. Dean Malenko, the champion, against Rey Mysterio Jr. For 8 minutes and 42 glorious seconds. How did y' all like this match? Because clearly I. I thought it was. It was the tits. [01:53:29] Speaker C: How much did I like this match? So much that I didn't even take any notes on it. I was just watching the match. [01:53:37] Speaker B: Kind of just enraptured. [01:53:40] Speaker A: I love that all three of us had that because I wrote down, this is one of those matches. Well, I really hope folks got some notes because I kind of just shut the up and watch the match. Nope. This. Watch. Go, folks. Watch. Go. Watch. Like, yeah, yeah. This is what I've been edging towards since this show started. And. And last night at the pay per view, I literally made the Luger noise because, like, I was just so. Finally. Watch this goddamn match. The finish, though, is fantastic. A lot of. There's so many sequences. Like, at one point, Rey hits a springboard standing moonsault on Dean. And like, not long after, Dean runs up the turnbuckle and turns around for a splash. Now, like, Dean's matching raised lucha, like, with lucha. And Ray's meeting Dean's graps with chain wrestling. Graps. Like, this is. Oh, my God, this is cruiserweight division. So, like, yeah, this is so good. We see moves we don't get to see a lot of. Mostly, I think, too, because, like, you get to see, like, Ray. Ray is just so small. So, like, Dean gets him up for, like, a sheer drop brain buster and is like, holding. Holding him up because he weighs like 20 pounds. It's so good. Everyone watch this. Yeah, I didn't write down anything for the commentary booth because I was like, I'm not even listening to y' all. I'm sorry, Bobby. I don't give a go. Watch this. It's great. The finish. What did I write down? The finish I did. Yes, we should. It finishes up after a couple back and forths with the momentum. Dean catches rain, gets him basically in a scorpion death drop. God damn. And I will say Ray's head bounces off the mat, so hope he's okay. But on the way back from commercial after that, like, I had to pause and, like, get water. It was just. It was so good. We come back to a WCW Magazine promotion and there's. There's footage of Cowboy Pepe, the little dog. I wear the cowboy outfit, and I legit teared up. [01:55:49] Speaker C: Quite possibly. That could be our last look at Pepe. [01:55:53] Speaker A: It might be our last Pepe. Pepe. Bugs, you missed it. That dog used to be on every show because his daddy Mongo was a commentator before he was a wrestler. So we got to have obligatory Pepe talk at the beginning of every nitro. [01:56:08] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:56:09] Speaker A: And they took this from us because Ric Flair loves football. Boo. Boo. [01:56:17] Speaker B: Coming. A return guy specifically for Cowboy Pepe. [01:56:20] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Yeah. I never thought I would be Mongo pilled so hard that I'm a return girl for getting Mongo back on commentary. I blame you. Silent. [01:56:31] Speaker C: You're welcome. [01:56:33] Speaker A: Right, so that brings us to almost mercifully, because again, two hour nitro is the main event, and we get for, like, what, a fourth time. Jimmy Hart coming out with the Giant to fight Scotty Steiner. The scooter boy. It's a Steiner line time. The living bicep. He's going for the world. Go World gold against Giant. And what did I write here? Memphis gerblin James Hart. Yes. Okay, that. That makes sense. I love him. I'm learning to love Jimmy Hart. I hated him because he wants me to hate him, but it's not like, okay, but that makes you love him. It's how I got mango pilled. I kind of have no idea how this is gonna go because, like, I'm almost scared for. For the Giant because, like, Scott Steiner can and will pick him up like. Yeah, yeah. Scott is the most steroided anyone has ever been. So, like, he'll do it. [01:57:31] Speaker C: And I. I kind of question the decision because he will eventually get the Giant up for a suplex, and the crowd absolutely loses their shit over it. [01:57:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Because that's the story of this match. We talk about the. The stories of matches several times this week, and this one is absolutely. Can I lift this motherfucker? I am a walking sentient steroid. Can I do it? How's it gonna go? Turns out, you know. [01:58:02] Speaker B: You just want to pick up the big boy. [01:58:04] Speaker A: Yes, I just want to do. I want to prove I can do. And he. And he tries and tries and tries and finally does. And like you said. Holy. He gets him in almost like a. It's almost like a T Bone Tazplex type suplex, like a capture suplex. And he gets him up and he drops him on his goddamn head after 10 minutes of trying, and the crowd lost it. Awesome. I hate to say it. Proof that there is something to be said about just. Big man lift. Big man go boom. Yeah. Because this crowd could not have given a. About this match for 10 minutes until that happened. And then they lost their mind. [01:58:45] Speaker B: You. You see a big guy go where big guys shouldn't go. Lizard rain, go Burr. [01:58:51] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Oh, yeah, yeah. At one point, like, he brings in a wooden chair, and that kind of leads us up to the finish because, like, Scott or. Or Rick comes out and, like, I know Scott tries to hit him with the chair out of frustration because even he didn't die after dropping on my head. Like, Scott's like, if I drop you on your head and you don't die, what else do I got? So he hits him with the chair and it does nothing. And I love that the ref doesn't even disqualify him because he's like, I. [01:59:22] Speaker B: That's a legal move here. Sure, man. [01:59:25] Speaker A: I get it. Yeah. Like, he's huge. I get it. You're doing whatever you can. [01:59:29] Speaker C: You know, the disqualification. Oh, go ahead. [01:59:31] Speaker B: I was gonna say, like, this doesn't do anything to him. So, like, I can't. Is it cheating if it clearly isn't gonna work? [01:59:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Good luck, buddy. Yeah. [01:59:40] Speaker C: The whole merit of the disqualification is the idea that it has given you an unfair advantage. And it clearly did make. Not here. [01:59:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you got nothing here. [01:59:48] Speaker B: This is fine, dude. [01:59:50] Speaker A: A. So, yeah, he hits him with the choke Islam for the three instead. The obvious conclusion, we all knew this was gonna go, but, like, whatever. This. The. This part was not about the wrestling. The Chuckle Flex let us know that this whole match is about telling you that the Outsiders is a thing that's happening. Like, stay tuned to see the draft is like, this whole thing. And yeah, it's very WWF of them, but I get it because, like, it's good tv and I love the sound of Bobby's voice. I also here have Bobby's line of the night. Giant is standing on Steiner's side at one point, applying pressure while he's like, selling the out of it. Bobby says, yeah, right on the pancreas. And Tony asks, is that where the pancreas is? And Bobby says, there he is now. I was like, here we go. Write that down. Line of the night. I love Bobby again. This will always be a Bobby Hannon, Bobby Heenan love loving podcast. So, yeah, then we go home. Gene's almost emotional about the Outsiders putting Eric through the stage, which is very funny because in. In real life, I'm sure he. That Gene's just like my boss. I don't care him. He tells us who 12 qualifies for the draft. The great Hulk Hogan. And the crowd boos when they say Hulk's name, folks, it's over. Hulkamania is dead. He is. He has, he has spent too long assuming he can just do the same thing and have people love him. And then he left for ho. For Hollywood. Like he hasn't even been on TV in like, like months because he's off fielding movies that we watch. [02:01:36] Speaker C: I don't think we've seen him since uncensored. 96, right? [02:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So like the crowd's like done with them. It so Giant. Woo. Nature boy. Woo. Everyone loses it. So yeah, they're all, they're all happy. But when they do the actual draft, you find out it'll be Lex Luger, Macho man and Sting versus Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and the mysterious third man at Bash at the Beach. And the stage is set, folks. The NWO are on their way. Tony and Bobby, take us home. Bobby starts talking about Kuwait. For some reason, they literally play him off. It was kind of amazing. It just like, it's like Kuwait. And they're like, start the music. Start the music. Start the. He gonna say something up. But yeah, that's it. What a night. Final thoughts on Nitro from either of you besides Ray Ray. That's my final thought. Ray Ray. [02:02:33] Speaker B: I, I want to see Scrappy do pilot the Giant. [02:02:35] Speaker A: Yes. [02:02:36] Speaker B: I want to see, I want to see like a ratatouille situation or something. [02:02:41] Speaker A: Holy. I'm gonna deep dive and see if I can't find an example of that happening. It must have at some point. [02:02:47] Speaker B: There's no way it didn't happen, right? [02:02:49] Speaker A: There's no way. Overall, though, I don't know about y' all, I, I. As far as who won this week, I'm giving it to Nitro. Nitro was on fire for me from the very beginning. And this is the first three hour Nitro that was like that for me. Two hours. Pardon me. Oh God. Two hour night. Three hours is what RAW does now. God help us all. That's too much wrestling. Too much. I've enjoyed these couple of four hour dynamites that have been happening, but that feels different for some reason I, I'm having thoughts about that. I'm sure we'll go into on, on the other podcasts that exist now because I. They keep birthing someone got someone fed me after midnight and now more podcasts have come out. It's. It's terrible. So, yeah, we did it, folks. We did the damn thing. We watched 90s craps. We made bugs. Look at 90s graps. I'm happy you survived. And And. And. And even though it took a little bit to make the recording happen, it happened. Thank you for being here, Bugs. [02:03:58] Speaker B: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for just kind of chucking me at this world. [02:04:04] Speaker A: That is what we do here at the Monday night fake fights facility. Shit. [02:04:10] Speaker B: Ripped. [02:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, no. We pluck up our mutuals and we throw them into the cage and just see what happens. Oofy. Death match is good. Write that down. Yes. That's powerful fan tastic. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, that was a wild and somewhat historic night of grabs. Thank you again for coming. Let everyone know one more time who you are and where to find you and how to give you money. I like telling people to give my guests money. Give Bugs money. [02:04:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I would love money. Hi, my name is Bugs Matrix. You can find me over on BlueSkyUgsmatrix, BSGuy Social, or whatever the generic little thingy that they staple onto that is. I am an Internet. I like to think of myself as the Paris Hilton of Internet because I'm just kind of famous for being famous at this point. Like, people just kind of follow me. It's great. I got a link tree and you can find. I do a couple of podcasts. I do a couple of magic the Gathering E Stream things if you like wizard cardboard. And my. My cash app is dollar sign Bugs Matrix. [02:05:22] Speaker A: Happy pride. [02:05:24] Speaker B: Happy pride. [02:05:24] Speaker A: Trip says, folks, if you're here, pay pair. [02:05:28] Speaker B: Hit the girls. Hit the girls. [02:05:30] Speaker A: Thank you so much for having me. [02:05:31] Speaker B: This ruled. [02:05:33] Speaker A: Yeah, you can come back any old time. It's. It's Bugs Matrix week on old Ghost coast radio because I'm. Before this was finishing up your episode of the most important election of our lives. [02:05:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Go check that out. Go check that out. That was nutty. [02:05:48] Speaker A: This releases Monday. That'll be out on Super Tuesday for the voting booth, folks. Silent. Do you want to tell people where to find you? If you want to be found. [02:05:57] Speaker C: Also on bluesky Silent, Bluesky Social. Yeah, not working on anything right now. Just trying to get, like, a real job. Still holding out for that 20 bucks. Garak, we gotta get people on this Patreon. [02:06:09] Speaker A: I'm fucking working on it. I know. [02:06:11] Speaker C: I know you are. Listen, I respect you, Booker Tran. [02:06:16] Speaker A: Thank you. I had a real good thing going. I had developed the perfect, perfect shilling the Patreon to people like monstrosity. And then she escaped. So. And she was still doing it. Like, we trained her so well that she was still calling in with the promos, but she has, like, disappeared from that, even I'm not sure what happened. So, you know, I'm sure someone in the middle of this episode will pop in and tell you to go check out all the Yay capitalism. Thank you both for hanging out. Thank you folks for listening. We will see you all next week with more raw Nitro. Monday Night Fake Fights K By.